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    • hobbit666
      hobbit666 last edited by

      Just thinking while I was typing a different reply since the server will be wiped and XenServer installed I'll be loosing the VM datastore anyway so guessing "achieving" them to the NAS is better so when XenServer is running and I redeploy unitrends I can "restore" from said achieve

      Then I'll most probably use XO to handle backups (unless people think unitrends would be better than XO) and use the NAS as normal. As for now this is only to move servers so to speak

      If that makes sense lol

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      • hobbit666
        hobbit666 @Dashrender last edited by

        @Dashrender said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

        Assuming you can do SMB or NFS, I'd definitely do that to the NAS - don't mess with ISCSI unless you absolutely need to.

        Also, if possible, use a dedicated NIC for the NAS to the ESXi host with Unitrends on it, maximize your throughput.

        That's not a bad idea will try that too

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        • art_of_shred
          art_of_shred Banned @hobbit666 last edited by

          @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

          Just thinking while I was typing a different reply since the server will be wiped and XenServer installed I'll be loosing the VM datastore anyway so guessing "achieving" them to the NAS is better so when XenServer is running and I redeploy unitrends I can "restore" from said achieve

          Then I'll most probably use XO to handle backups (unless people think unitrends would be better than XO) and use the NAS as normal. As for now this is only to move servers so to speak

          If that makes sense lol

          The only thing that didn't make sense is that I think you meant "archiving".

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          • hobbit666
            hobbit666 @art_of_shred last edited by

            @art_of_shred said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

            @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

            Just thinking while I was typing a different reply since the server will be wiped and XenServer installed I'll be loosing the VM datastore anyway so guessing "achieving" them to the NAS is better so when XenServer is running and I redeploy unitrends I can "restore" from said achieve

            Then I'll most probably use XO to handle backups (unless people think unitrends would be better than XO) and use the NAS as normal. As for now this is only to move servers so to speak

            If that makes sense lol

            The only thing that didn't make sense is that I think you meant "archiving".

            LOL Yeah was using my phone 🙂

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            • momurda
              momurda last edited by momurda

              Just 1 or 2 things
              Unitrends currently wont do incremental backups on Xenserver. All vm backups have to be full backups, all the time unless you use their agent, which will do full/incrmental, System State and File level backups.
              Instead of backing up the vms, could you not just export them to xva then import them later?(basically a backup)
              I use a NAS for my backups, though i do use iscsi disks and not nfs.

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              • hobbit666
                hobbit666 @momurda last edited by

                @momurda said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                Just 1 or 2 things
                Unitrends currently wont do incremental backups on Xenserver. All vm backups have to be full backups, all the time unless you use their agent, which will do full/incrmental, System State and File level backups.
                Instead of backing up the vms, could you not just export them to xva then import them later?(basically a backup)
                I use a NAS for my backups, though i do use iscsi disks and not nfs.

                That could be plan B, just want to use Unitrends to play with it lol.

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                • J
                  Jason Banned last edited by

                  Attach the NAS as a data store in vsphere then connect a disk on that to unitrends.

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                  • hobbit666
                    hobbit666 last edited by

                    The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                    0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

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                    • coliver
                      coliver @hobbit666 last edited by

                      @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                      The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                      0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                      XenServer is only supported via agents on the hosted virtual machines. XenOrchestra has some backup software included that is agent-less and does incremental backups.

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                      • scottalanmiller
                        scottalanmiller @hobbit666 last edited by

                        @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                        The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                        0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                        Not at the hypervisor / platform level. You need to work with agents the same as if it was physical. Doesn't work with ESXi Free, either.

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                        • Dashrender
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                          @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                          The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                          0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                          Not at the hypervisor / platform level. You need to work with agents the same as if it was physical. Doesn't work with ESXi Free, either.

                          Just to clarify, it doesn't work with ESXi Free at the hypervisor level, but the agent level works just fine.

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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender last edited by

                            @Dashrender said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                            @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                            The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                            0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                            Not at the hypervisor / platform level. You need to work with agents the same as if it was physical. Doesn't work with ESXi Free, either.

                            Just to clarify, it doesn't work with ESXi Free at the hypervisor level, but the agent level works just fine.

                            I actually think that this makes it more confusing. Under no conditions can it talk to ESXi Free. But it can always talk to a VM via the OS. Saying that it can talk to ESXi Free "by talking to an agent" is far more confusing because we have removed ESXi from the equation.

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                            • Dashrender
                              Dashrender @scottalanmiller last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                              @Dashrender said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                              @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                              The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                              0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                              Not at the hypervisor / platform level. You need to work with agents the same as if it was physical. Doesn't work with ESXi Free, either.

                              Just to clarify, it doesn't work with ESXi Free at the hypervisor level, but the agent level works just fine.

                              I actually think that this makes it more confusing. Under no conditions can it talk to ESXi Free. But it can always talk to a VM via the OS. Saying that it can talk to ESXi Free "by talking to an agent" is far more confusing because we have removed ESXi from the equation.

                              sadly without a really long drawn out conversation you can't cover all the bases to not leave someone confused - I would not have considered my statement confusing at all, but I see you point on where someone might.

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                              • scottalanmiller
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender last edited by

                                @Dashrender said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                @Dashrender said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                                0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                                Not at the hypervisor / platform level. You need to work with agents the same as if it was physical. Doesn't work with ESXi Free, either.

                                Just to clarify, it doesn't work with ESXi Free at the hypervisor level, but the agent level works just fine.

                                I actually think that this makes it more confusing. Under no conditions can it talk to ESXi Free. But it can always talk to a VM via the OS. Saying that it can talk to ESXi Free "by talking to an agent" is far more confusing because we have removed ESXi from the equation.

                                sadly without a really long drawn out conversation you can't cover all the bases to not leave someone confused - I would not have considered my statement confusing at all, but I see you point on where someone might.

                                to you it's not confusing. But if you need to be told this, then it is confusing. It's only not confusing to someone that doesn't need to be told.

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                                • momurda
                                  momurda @hobbit666 last edited by

                                  @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                  The version I got doesn't seem to support XenServer?
                                  0_1467290624781_unitrendshosts.png

                                  I totally forgot about that. You gotta buy Enterprise to get Xenserver vm backups, and then they are only full backups at the moment.

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                                  • hobbit666
                                    hobbit666 last edited by

                                    Was hoping to do a direct restore to XenServer once installed from the unitrends backups but going to Plan B 😄 export to my PC and import the "image" "ova or what ever" into XenServer 😄

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                                    • Grey
                                      Grey last edited by

                                      UEB free was, to my understanding, moving away from using CIFS and other network-based shares in upcoming version(s). Unitrends really wants you to start using vmware or HyperV to create the datastores and then expose those 'drives' to the UEB. Is that still the case, Art?

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                                      • Dashrender
                                        Dashrender @hobbit666 last edited by

                                        @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                        Was hoping to do a direct restore to XenServer once installed from the unitrends backups but going to Plan B 😄 export to my PC and import the "image" "ova or what ever" into XenServer 😄

                                        Why not make the VM, then use the bootable agent iso (there is one, isn't there?) to boot the VM then restore directly into the VM? This is how agent based restores have always worked.

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                                        • scottalanmiller
                                          scottalanmiller @hobbit666 last edited by

                                          @hobbit666 said in Using a NAS for backups & Unitrends FREE:

                                          Was hoping to do a direct restore to XenServer once installed from the unitrends backups but going to Plan B 😄 export to my PC and import the "image" "ova or what ever" into XenServer 😄

                                          That's never possible with an agent based backup, because you need an agent to do the restore.

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                                          • scottalanmiller
                                            scottalanmiller last edited by

                                            If you are doing agent based backups, you should make a generic image of your OS that includes the agent. Then you just spin up a VM and restore, everything is built into the image.

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