If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch
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What I think is going to happen is this.... some child is going to get killed in a situation that has become unheard of because automated drivers are so safe. There is going to be a major lawsuit for manslaughter one, it's going to make national media front pages and people are going to start equating driving your own car to DUI today. People will start to say that getting behind the wheel of a car without computer control is deciding to put kids' lives at risk even before you pull out of the garage.
And, in reality, the stats make it sound like this is true. Driving drunk hardly guarantees an accident. Most drunks hit nothing, but the risk is too high. Once we have a dramatically safer alternative, a human driving will be statistically the same difference as a sober versus drunk driver today.
Then, likely, the insurance companies take it from there. There will be "automatic car only" clauses.
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@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
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@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
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@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
You've been in a self driving car?
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@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
You've been in a self driving car?
If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.
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@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.
Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.
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@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
You've been in a self driving car?
If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.
I wouldn't equate those two, I'd mark that closer to a DUI.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
You've been in a self driving car?
If me being asleep and driving is considered automatic.
I wouldn't equate those two, I'd mark that closer to a DUI.
No it was DWOI... Driving WIthout Influence.
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@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.
Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.
Link to the article please.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.
Did you hear about the guy last week who went to sleep and let his self driving car do all of the driving? Cops pulled him over asleep. Unfortunately for him, the current laws require you to remain awake.
Link to the article please.
http://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/Tesla-driver-Model-S-sleeping-autopilot-7945784.php
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Hmm... that's not the one that got pulled over. But similar time frame and vehicle.
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@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@JaredBusch said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@wirestyle22 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@scottalanmiller said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I think we'll have 20 years of both self driving and piloted cars on the road, and a time when a car can be either.
I doubt that humans in the driver's seat will be legal for that long. The cost of allowing human drivers once computer drivers are available is astronomic. So much of the value and safety in the automated driving system requires getting all of the other cars off of the road.
Yeah but they can't even release an XBOX right now without a lot of bugs. I wonder how bad the initial release is going to be and how many fatalities we will have. It scares me actually.
So far in testing they are already outperforming all but the best humans. Zero at fault accidents and nearly no not at fault accidents. The initial release has been out for a while and doing quite well... from several companies. Google and Tesla have both been on the road for a while now.
That is very good to hear. I'm surprised considering the amount of variables
Only one variable really matters.... humans are terrible at driving. We react very slowly and don't pay attention well. And we get drowsy. And sneeze, cough, blink, have heart attacks, etc.
What are you talking.. Just because i cannot recall over half of my drive from St. Louis to Chicago yesterday evening?
I once woke up on the opposite side of a city (small one) having fallen asleep before I entered it. Thankfully my eyes were open and my automatic system managed to just follow a car in front of me (through a few turns!!!) but it was pretty scary when I came to and had no idea where I was.
Yes, never assume I am against self driving cars. I want them functional, legal, and available soon. Personally I want one really bad.
I'm in front of JB in line for a self driving car, but he currently really has higher need for one than me.
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So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
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Should self driving cars have human operable brakes, or an override steering wheel?
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
they already do, with breaking.
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@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
they already do, with breaking.
I'm sure you've seen the ads.My point is, if autonomous cars are better than humans, why should we allow a human to ever be able to control the vehicle? We should only input the address of where we want to go, tap a button and be on our way. The car should do everything from there, route planning and everything else.
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@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@Dashrender said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
@DustinB3403 said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
So if autonomous cars are a good thing, should they have an Override function?
Should a human ever be allowed to drive a car if it is truly self driving?
they already do, with breaking.
I'm sure you've seen the ads.My point is, if autonomous cars are better than humans, why should we allow a human to ever be able to control the vehicle? We should only input the address of where we want to go, tap a button and be on our way. The car should do everything from there, route planning and everything else.
Because the cars and other technology don't exist yet in a tried and trued way yet. Give it another 5 years and it might be.
But the public won't simply accept it because someone claims it's so. Plus how do you handle the poor? Is this going to be another government program, trade in your old clunker that isn't worth $500 for a brand new $20K (probably more like $80K) car? I hope not.
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Now one set of speculation is that uber will take over the world. People won't own cars anymore, now you'll just call for a ride to xyz place. the car shows up, you get it, it takes you to where you want to go, and drops you off and leaves.
Frankly that situation is unacceptable to me. I don't want to decide that I want to run out for icecream and have to wait 20 mins for a car to arrive. I want to decide on a whim and get in and go.
So I see a blending of these two things. Those who don't feel the need to have instant access to decide to go the as needed bases. Even better, then could set a schedule for things like going to work, going home, lunch, etc. You go to work every day at 7:15, the car is outside waiting for you, etc.
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I'm never going to own an autonomous car, I think where it is headed will remove the need of ownership of a car, you pay a ride share company that has a fleet of them to pick you up and drop you off.
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@brianlittlejohn said in If you thought Skynet was just a story why is google building an AI kill switch:
I'm never going to own an autonomous car, I think where it is headed will remove the need of ownership of a car, you pay a ride share company that has a fleet of them to pick you up and drop you off.
This I could see occurring for public transit, or large business complexes.
But as a general concept I want my own space, and having to share a ride with 3 or more other people who I work with (or only know from the car share) would drive me insane.
I'd probably end up stabbing someone.
