XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise
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@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
The lines are blurred like they were for me with RHE Linux. I didn't know that it was 100% free - the FUD around it made me think/assume you HAD to buy it, or at least HAD to buy support.
That is understandable. If you want "XenServer" (and @scottalanmiller correct me if I'm wrong) you go through Citrix. If you want "Xen Server" you go to the Linux Foundation.
They are the same product, just released from two sources.
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This monitor seems to be pretty chill. Maybe it is a zen monitor:
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
That is understandable. If you want "XenServer" (and @scottalanmiller correct me if I'm wrong) you go through Citrix. If you want "Xen Server" you go to the Linux Foundation.
They are the same product, just released from two sources.
There is no and never has been a "Xen Server".
Xen and XenServer are Linux Foundation.
XenApp and XenDesktop are Citrix.
Citrix offers XenServer Enterprise with additional add ons that are not directly part of the Xen or XenServer codebases.
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So the question that I have is. What is in the "Enterprise" edition that isn't in the community edition?
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@Dashrender Where do you think the line is blurred? XS and everything that is XS is open source. Free to use.
XenApp / XenDesktop and the other tools that Citrix is developing from scratch, that is all closed source. The monitor Xen has nothing at all to do with XenServer.
A lot of the new functionality built into XS greatly improves XenApp/XenDesktop functionality and performance. But that is all XS.
Moniker?
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@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7 has launched!:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
This to me seems like the Red Hat Enterprise Edition thing all over again. According to Scott, RHE is 100% free - though they don't make links directly available on their website to download it (though I could be wrong on that now).
So this means, IF you can get your hands on the bits, you can use it to your hearts content, you just don't get support.I don't know if this is true. If in fact Citrix has some closed source code in their installation media, you having it without having paid for it is theft.
Without having access to the XS7 release from Citrix I have no way to compare the MD5's. Does anyone here pay for XenServer from Citrix?
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Men you FOSS folks, y'all make things as clear as mud!
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
Where do you download the XS "Community" ISO from or are they all the same?
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
Where do you download the XS "Community" ISO from or are they all the same?
http://xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/download.html
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@FATeknollogee said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
Where do you download the XS "Community" ISO from or are they all the same?
http://xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/download.html
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@coliver said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
Where do you download the XS "Community" ISO from or are they all the same?
http://xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/download.html
I beat you to it
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@coliver said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@FATeknollogee said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
FYI I hate now that this XS7 release has dropped that everyone is saying "Enterprise and Community Editions". Who honestly isn't going to be using the "community edition"?
Where do you download the XS "Community" ISO from or are they all the same?
http://xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/download.html
I beat you to it
Just goes to show how easy it is to find.
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
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@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
Depends what they are, but not likely. Linux Foundation is focused on Xen, not XenServer, for the most part. And we have to see if Citrix is providing anything of real value. They might be, but I'm not aware of what it is yet.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@JaredBusch said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
Also did Citrix write code on their own for applications that run on the Hypervisor?
That's the understanding.
That is all the RedHat did too. They added their own scripts for various tasks that ran on top of RHEL to go along with the support.
Wouldn't these scripts have to be written using open code though and licensing? I presume not, but I'm curious as to how... since the scripts are just performing functions that the system is already capable of performing.
Not if they are decoupled scripts, no.
Do you think anyone in the Linux Foundation will create open source versions of said decoupled scripts?
Depends what they are, but not likely. Linux Foundation is focused on Xen, not XenServer, for the most part. And we have to see if Citrix is providing anything of real value. They might be, but I'm not aware of what it is yet.
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
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@Dashrender said in XenServer Community Edition versus Enterprise:
If that's the case, then why are we still deploying XenServer and not Xen? I realize that Xen is an add-on on top of say - CentOS, but what am I missing?
Xen is a hypervisor, not a product. Like Linux. You can't deploy just the Linux kernel, you need a distro built on top of it. Xen is just a kernel, you need a distro, like XenServer.
