What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing
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@Dashrender said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
Frankly I was amazed at how long it wasn't moderated - at least the title.
Only the title ever was. Only that part shows up on other lists, like the RSS feed titles, recent list, unread list. So if we mod it there, and keep it in the topic, people know to peruse it or not at their discretion. It doesn't "pop up" when not wanted.
Like the "Anything Goes" random thread... people are warned that people will let loose there and that it is NSFW.
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@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@MattSpeller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
I see no issue with it, this is hardly a forum that will be browsed avidly by children.
Probably not, but it would be nice if they felt comfortable using it AND if parents felt comfortable with them being here. Of course, in most work environments, like in NYC for sure, you would hear far worse in the office all of the time. No question there. Although there is something different about things being in print, than when things are spoken. It's not fleeting background noise, it's on peoples' screens as managers and coworkers walk by or whatever.
this is the difference between a casual conversation and a post on Twitter or FB... the print/foreverness of it.
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@aaronstuder said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
Of course, in most work environments, like in NYC for sure, you would hear far worse in the office all of the time.
or just walking down the street.....
In NYC for sure.
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@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
In NYC for sure.
That was my point!
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@Dashrender said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
My 2 cents - Titles should always be moderated, but the OP, if about an actual product name, should be left alone. And tags for a real product should be allowed, but only used to reference the aforementioned product(s).
I had wondered about the tags (there isn't one yet, moderated or not) but had not formed an opinion. But I think that I agree, a tag for this case would be fine, as is the link. It's really only in the thread title that I see concern and mostly because it is unavoidable AND out of context when seen.
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@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@MattSpeller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
I see no issue with it, this is hardly a forum that will be browsed avidly by children.
Probably not, but it would be nice if they felt comfortable using it AND if parents felt comfortable with them being here. Of course, in most work environments, like in NYC for sure, you would hear far worse in the office all of the time. No question there. Although there is something different about things being in print, than when things are spoken. It's not fleeting background noise, it's on peoples' screens as managers and coworkers walk by or whatever.
Of course the seeming Puritan views being pushed here have nothing to do with it. Japanese children grow up hearing what Americans consider swearwords used regularly on shows aimed at toddlers. It simply is not a thing to fear.
*Not saying they don't have there own slate of issues. jsut swearing isn't one of them.
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@MattSpeller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@aaronstuder said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
Shit.
funny enough i wasn't on page 1.
but....
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mangolassi.it+fuck+%40jaredbusch -
@JaredBusch said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@MattSpeller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
I see no issue with it, this is hardly a forum that will be browsed avidly by children.
Probably not, but it would be nice if they felt comfortable using it AND if parents felt comfortable with them being here. Of course, in most work environments, like in NYC for sure, you would hear far worse in the office all of the time. No question there. Although there is something different about things being in print, than when things are spoken. It's not fleeting background noise, it's on peoples' screens as managers and coworkers walk by or whatever.
Of course the seeming Puritan views being pushed here have nothing to do with it. Japanese children grow up hearing what Americans consider swearwords used regularly on shows aimed at toddlers. It simply is not a thing to fear.
*Not saying they don't have there own slate of issues. jsut swearing isn't one of them.
I agree, I don't have an issue with it personally. But lots of people do or might, which gets into the question of... how far do you go to placate people who feel or might feel or we imagine will be offended? it's tough. all of us regulars don't care. It's the people reading casually or not piping up that we have to imagine what they will care about or not.
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My 0.02c: Whatever the future way will be (mod first or not), just keep it transparent.
IMHO, a good community can't live without at least a certain amount of moderation. At least not with thousands of members. Problem is, moderation is and will probably ever be a tightrope walk, keeping it transparent should pay back at some point.
About the product: Funny name, but I would have a hard time to explain my documentations cover sheet ("How to use Fck" or "About Fck".) to my boss
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personally the F word doesn't bother me.... but seeing the C word, which is used in London by the gallon I wouldn't appreciate seeing.
It's a locality thing.
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Swearing doesn't have the connotation that it used to. It's far more common, and sometimes, many times, to get a point across to the correct effect, it's necessary. It's all about reasonableness though. Too often rules are made because someone took something to some extreme and ruins it for the 99.9% of people who don't abuse the system.
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@thwr said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
My 0.02c: Whatever the future way will be (mod first or not), just keep it transparent.
IMHO, a good community can't live without at least a certain amount of moderation. At least not with thousands of members. Problem is, moderation is and will probably ever be a tightrope walk, keeping it transparent should pay back at some point.
About the product: Funny name, but I would have a hard time to explain my documentations cover sheet ("How to use Fck" or "About Fck".) to my boss
Good point. I should have stuck a comment into the thread about why it was renamed. Didn't even occur to me as it felt so benign when I did it. My own oversight, no reason not to have explained it.
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@thanksajdotcom said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
Swearing doesn't have the connotation that it used to.
Is that really true, Just curiosity really. But my gut says that it is less common now, not more. And that it used to be common speech and now we more broadly feel "offended" by it. Might be purely my impression.
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@scottalanmiller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@thanksajdotcom said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
Swearing doesn't have the connotation that it used to.
Is that really true, Just curiosity really. But my gut says that it is less common now, not more. And that it used to be common speech and now we more broadly feel "offended" by it. Might be purely my impression.
I am not sure if people are more broadly offended, or just we cater more to the minority that are offended, period.
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@JaredBusch said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
I am not sure if people are more broadly offended, or just we cater more to the minority that are offended, period.
Good point, that's probably more accurate.
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@MattSpeller said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
@thwr said in What the Poo and Moderation of Swearing:
My 0.02c:
Stingy bastard
Narf... ok, your point
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I a only able to read some of this. There is a community guideline against swearing. Been there since day one.
I do not moderate all swear words but on a few other moderators advice i did need for it to be stated that we shouldn't allow it.
I cant find it from my phone but take a look at the guidelines.
I will read all this through more carefully later when its not on my tiny screen.
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