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The bigger problem is that taking away something like Internet access causes a massive divide in the classes. If you call below the ability to afford Internet, you lose the ability to job hunt, get services, etc. It becomes a "being poor makes it impossible to stop being poor."
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
Who said responsibility? I'm just saying that it's an opportunity. An opportunity to level the playing field,
And that doesn't do anything other than make someone 'feel good'
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
And that doesn't do anything other than make someone 'feel good'
Um... giving the poor a chance has no benefits?
Even if it didn't, what does it matter? It would increase the quality and lower the cost of all Internet. So do it for altruistic reasons, do it for selfish ones. I know of no angle, other than actively wanting the situation to be worse, where it is not better. Cost, better. Equality, better. Democracy, better. Education, better. Opportunity, better. HDI, better. Speed and Reliability, better.
Who loses?
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
Roads ARE critical for emergency services, I realize this. But so is the Internet. You can't call for an ambulance if you can't get a communications line to use to tell them that you are in need of assistance.
You can't call for an ambulance over the internet, unless you're paying for a VoIP connection. And even then, a lot of 911 services don't work over the internet.
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
You can't call for an ambulance over the internet, unless you're paying for a VoIP connection. And even then, a lot of 911 services don't work over the internet.
There is no reason that that can't be offered for free and in the telephone era the law was that 911 always worked regardless. That it CAN not work is silly. 911 might not work on a traditional phone too. But there is no reason for that to be the case any more than on VoIP.
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
No library or restaurant where I grew up. Depending on being rich enough to live where things are cheap is doubly bad, right? Free services are provides only to those who don't need them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
And pretty much every local government provides libraries.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
Walking distance in safe areas? Inner city doesn't mean "on my block." And tons of the poorest live away from the inner cities. The library might be within a mile, but it is often not free or safe to get to it.
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
And pretty much every local government provides libraries.
Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.
Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
No library or restaurant where I grew up
Where did you grow up?
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@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
And pretty much every local government provides libraries.
Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.
Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.
Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
And pretty much every local government provides libraries.
Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.
Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.
Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.
I grew up in a village of 800, still had a library and internet.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
That's definitely not the case in my 1 Million person city. There is a library downtown, but no one lives there, save rich people (condos start at $400K). Thinking about the rest of the libraries around the town.. they are definitely few and far between in poorer parts of town.
It's actually pretty bad for those parts of town - so bad that people are forced to walk well over 2 miles in some cases to get groceries. Luckily those parts of town do have better access to the bus system, but it could be better.
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@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
No library or restaurant where I grew up
Where did you grow up?
Wyoming, Co, NY
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@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
That's definitely not the case in my 1 Million person city. There is a library downtown, but no one lives there, save rich people (condos start at $400K). Thinking about the rest of the libraries around the town.. they are definitely few and far between in poorer parts of town.
It's actually pretty bad for those parts of town - so bad that people are forced to walk well over 2 miles in some cases to get groceries. Luckily those parts of town do have better access to the bus system, but it could be better.
Same with 30K cities, like Ithaca, NY. Amazing library, in the high rent district.
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@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Jason said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
@scottalanmiller said in Hours I work/PTO:
@Dashrender said in Hours I work/PTO:
@johnhooks said in Hours I work/PTO:
Library's have free internet. Most restaurants have free wifi.
The Library's is an OK start, but they are only available when the Library is open. This can be very limiting.
And only for people who live near one. Most poor people do not.
Huh? Most poorer demographics are inner city, which is where libraries are.
And pretty much every local government provides libraries.
Maybe where you are from. Not in the north. Certainly almost nowhere near me.
Of the ones that were around, most were one room deals that have since shut down. No way they would exist or have Internet today.
Well I live in the North and they're here. Even in small towns like the one I grew up in. A town of about 4,000 people.
I grew up in a village of 800, still had a library and internet.
We STILL don't have a gas station, restaurant or store of any kind. Having a library would be weird.
In NY more people live in the open area between villages than in them. The poorest are in the open spaces.
And for the cost of one library you could have just provided Internet to their homes!
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I think small towns are the least likely to have issues. They're to small to have really bad parts of town in most cases, and as you guys have pointed out, you have a library.
But in the bigger cities, the poor live nearer to the really bad parts of town and walking to a library could be hazardous, and definitely not a close walk.
As for free internet - I've been in those parts of town in my city.. very few private businesses offer internet access to the public there.
