AstroTurf is super green.



  • The grass always looks greener on the other side. My latest experience is it looked so green I couldn't tell if it was painted on or just perfectly maintained. So I took a breath and headed on over to greener pastures.

    While on the way over I stayed optimistic, but typically like to play out scenarios anyway.

    *What if people are hostile, but I love the work?

    *What if I love the people, but hate the work?

    *What if I hate the people AND the work?

    Okay so they pay better than any other place I've applied to but I'm not happy about... well pretty much anything after being here roughly a year. In that year, I've got a good enough feel about how things are done.

    The grass looked greener, because it was AstroTurf.

    I'm in school full time after "taking a break" for many years, and it's very expensive (I'm paying as I go, out of pocket... So far, no debt), so I need to maintain a well paying job. I have no kids and I'm unmarried. I have a mortgage, and my girlfriend of 3 years lives with me. I do have money set aside, but paying for school out of savings while having no income would hurt.

    My gut tells me to stay here, and search for other ventures. But it's hard to find a job that pays this well, and is 100% flexible with my school schedule. Another part of me says to quit immediately and work harder at searching for another job, that way I'll be freed up.



  • @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    The grass always looks greener on the other side. My latest experience is it looked so green I couldn't tell if it was painted on or just perfectly maintained. So I took a breath and headed on over to greener pastures.

    While on the way over I stayed optimistic, but typically like to play out scenarios anyway.

    *What if people are hostile, but I love the work?

    *What if I love the people, but hate the work?

    *What if I hate the people AND the work?

    Okay so they pay better than any other place I've applied to but I'm not happy about... well pretty much anything after being here roughly a year. In that year, I've got a good enough feel about how things are done.

    The grass looked greener, because it was AstroTurf.

    I'm in school full time after "taking a break" for many years, and it's very expensive (I'm paying as I go, out of pocket... So far, no debt), so I need to maintain a well paying job. I have no kids and I'm unmarried. I have a mortgage, and my girlfriend of 3 years lives with me. I do have money set aside, but paying for school out of savings while having no income would hurt.

    My gut tells me to stay here, and search for other ventures. But it's hard to find a job that pays this well, and is 100% flexible with my school schedule. Another part of me says to quit immediately and work harder at searching for another job, that way I'll be freed up.

    Don't quit until you have another job lined up.



  • The absolute first thing that popped into my mind after seeing the title of the thread.

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  • On topic.

    You need to step back and think about all the things you are doing.

    Not just the job.

    • Why are you in school
    • Is you job in your desired career field
    • Why are you in this career field

    Those answers will lead to things like this though.

    • Can I sell my house and move for better opportunities


  • @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    The absolute first thing that popped into my mind after seeing the title of the thread.

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    I love The Fifth Element.



  • @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    I love The Fifth Element.

    I once named every device on a network after 5th Element characters.



  • @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    On topic.

    You need to step back and think about all the things you are doing.

    Not just the job.

    • Why are you in school
    • Is you job in your desired career field
    • Why are you in this career field

    Those answers will lead to things like this though.

    • Can I sell my house and move for better opportunities

    I'm in school not out of necessity, but because I've always wanted a degree. My family wasn't ever big on people going to college, so I have wanted to go. I'm doing it now, and killing it, so I want to see it through.

    My job is in my desired field, I've been in IT for just over 10 years, and a sysadmin for 7 of those.

    I'm in this field because of the interest in systems, but more so because of the change. I'm never comfortable because of new/changing technology, and diverse/complex networks. My favorite so far has been a network architect for emerging businesses. I worked for a booming little place that was growing fast, but not too fast. A bad investment stretched the company so thin that they started winding down to a bitter end. That's another thing about me, I'd rather take a risk with an emerging company and work on the growth side of things, than be incredibly stable at a massive corporation.

    I've worked for big companies, and hated every day I walked through those doors.



  • Never "quit immediately" unless it is because of ethical, safety or "you literally can't handle it any longer" reasons... and none of those allow you to be in the position of considering an alternative. So stick to it for now, find something good before leaving.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    Never "quit immediately" unless it is because of ethical, safety or "you literally can't handle it any longer" reasons... and none of those allow you to be in the position of considering an alternative. So stick to it for now, find something good before leaving.

    And if nothing else, this builds character. There may be times where you literally won't have the option to leave even if you could give up everything.



  • @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    I love The Fifth Element.

    I once named every device on a network after 5th Element characters.

    And you logged into them with your multipass?



  • @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    I love The Fifth Element.

    I once named every device on a network after 5th Element characters.

    And you logged into them with your multipass?

    The system was an access contorl system. It ran on a Windows NT4 Server with SQL Sever and NT4 desktops for creating the badges and the security guards to monitor.

    So it was sort of creating multipasses.



  • @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    I love The Fifth Element.

    I once named every device on a network after 5th Element characters.

    And you logged into them with your multipass?

    The system was an access contorl system. It ran on a Windows NT4 Server with SQL Sever and NT4 desktops for creating the badges and the security guards to monitor.

    So it was sort of creating multipasses.

    excitedly holds up small card with my picture on it...Multipass!



  • @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    Never "quit immediately" unless it is because of ethical, safety or "you literally can't handle it any longer"

    Ethically, it was about a month away from what I could handle. Safety, nothing there.

    "Literally can't handle it any longer"... you got it.



  • @dafyre said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @JaredBusch said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    I love The Fifth Element.

    I once named every device on a network after 5th Element characters.

    And you logged into them with your multipass?

    The system was an access contorl system. It ran on a Windows NT4 Server with SQL Sever and NT4 desktops for creating the badges and the security guards to monitor.

    So it was sort of creating multipasses.

    excitedly holds up small card with my picture on it...Multipass!

    multipass.jpeg


  • Banned

    Does your employer not pay for schooling?



  • How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.



  • Also you say you want to work for small startups instead of big companies. Big companies are generally the only ones that care about a degree.



  • @Jason said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    Does your employer not pay for schooling?

    Nope. I was told that it would happen during my hiring process. Then that just went away. I inquired about it, and was just told no. I pressed about why, and was just told it wasn't in the budget. I asked if it was due to poor performance or something similiar, and was told I was doing a fantastic job.

    It didn't really add up as we are so far in the green with profits it's not funny so "it's not in the budget" is something I've questioned. They also show how profitable we are, but rarely give out raises. For instance, they gave high profile people a raise 5 years ago. People that are the tip of the spear for accountability and have shown proven results when it comes to return on investments.



  • @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.

    Not close. I just completed my first year. Still 3 to go. I don't want to be a manager. The last place I was at I managed 8 people and I hate it. Managing people vs. managing tech is not one of my strong points. I'm too hands on, and I find that I micro manage. Plus, I am too hard on people. When it comes to colleagues, I completely leave them alone unless they ask me for help so I'm a better team member than a manager/supervisor.

    I just want to stick in systems. I'm not getting a management degree anyway. I'm getting a BAS in network administration (heavier emphasis on systems though).


  • Banned

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @Jason said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    Does your employer not pay for schooling?

    Nope. I was told that it would happen during my hiring process

    That's bait and switch and it's illegal to do that for job offers. though it happens a lot.



  • @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.

    Not close. I just completed my first year. Still 3 to go. I don't want to be a manager. The last place I was at I managed 8 people and I hate it. Managing people vs. managing tech is not one of my strong points. I'm too hands on, and I find that I micro manage. Plus, I am too hard on people. When it comes to colleagues, I completely leave them alone unless they ask me for help so I'm a better team member than a manager/supervisor.

    I just want to stick in systems. I'm not getting a management degree anyway. I'm getting a BAS in network administration (heavier emphasis on systems though).

    With 10 years experience it really isn't going to help you much at all if at all.



  • @Jason said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @Jason said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    Does your employer not pay for schooling?

    Nope. I was told that it would happen during my hiring process

    That's bait and switch and it's illegal to do that for job offers. though it happens a lot.

    I saw this coming months and months ago. You get just enough to keep you here. But some people look like they've been served a life sentence in a business they can't stand. Others love it, even if they do get treated poorly, because they invest so much trust in the company and that they'll make things right some time.



  • @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.

    Not close. I just completed my first year. Still 3 to go. I don't want to be a manager. The last place I was at I managed 8 people and I hate it. Managing people vs. managing tech is not one of my strong points. I'm too hands on, and I find that I micro manage. Plus, I am too hard on people. When it comes to colleagues, I completely leave them alone unless they ask me for help so I'm a better team member than a manager/supervisor.

    I just want to stick in systems. I'm not getting a management degree anyway. I'm getting a BAS in network administration (heavier emphasis on systems though).

    With 10 years experience it really isn't going to help you much at all if at all.

    I'm not doing it out of necessity. My family was never really big on college but I always wanted to go. This is 100% just a life goal, rather than "I need to do this to get a good job". I tried my first year out and did really well, so I want to see it through to the end. Whatever "the end" may be defined as... whether that is getting a 4.0 one year but flunking out the next, or seeing it through to graduation.



  • @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.

    Not close. I just completed my first year. Still 3 to go. I don't want to be a manager. The last place I was at I managed 8 people and I hate it. Managing people vs. managing tech is not one of my strong points. I'm too hands on, and I find that I micro manage. Plus, I am too hard on people. When it comes to colleagues, I completely leave them alone unless they ask me for help so I'm a better team member than a manager/supervisor.

    I just want to stick in systems. I'm not getting a management degree anyway. I'm getting a BAS in network administration (heavier emphasis on systems though).

    With 10 years experience it really isn't going to help you much at all if at all.

    I'm not doing it out of necessity. My family was never really big on college but I always wanted to go. This is 100% just a life goal, rather than "I need to do this to get a good job". I tried my first year out and did really well, so I want to see it through to the end. At least as far as I can take it.

    I don't understand.... if it doesn't net you much in your career then what's the point of consuming alot of time and money? College sucks and most of the time you learn stuff that isn't relevant to your career.



  • @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @IRJ said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    How close are you to the degree? A degree in IT is rarely worth getting unless you want more of a hands off management position.

    Not close. I just completed my first year. Still 3 to go. I don't want to be a manager. The last place I was at I managed 8 people and I hate it. Managing people vs. managing tech is not one of my strong points. I'm too hands on, and I find that I micro manage. Plus, I am too hard on people. When it comes to colleagues, I completely leave them alone unless they ask me for help so I'm a better team member than a manager/supervisor.

    I just want to stick in systems. I'm not getting a management degree anyway. I'm getting a BAS in network administration (heavier emphasis on systems though).

    With 10 years experience it really isn't going to help you much at all if at all.

    I'm not doing it out of necessity. My family was never really big on college but I always wanted to go. This is 100% just a life goal, rather than "I need to do this to get a good job". I tried my first year out and did really well, so I want to see it through to the end. At least as far as I can take it.

    I don't understand.... if it doesn't net you much in your career then what's the point of consuming alot of time and money? College sucks and most of the time you learn stuff that isn't relevant to your career.

    This college has arguably the best network administration program in the state and I am learning some stuff here and there. It doesn't follow traditional broad view University cirriculum. It's all tech classes with very few general education classes to meet the requirements of graduation.

    Why I'm going though, because I want to go. Not because I need to go. I advocate to tons of people that ask if they need a degree or certs to get a better job, I tell them it won't hurt you, but you can't expect those things to be a skeleton key that unlocks every door of opportunity.

    I want the sense of achievement. For the last 10 years, my family says how successful I am and honestly I feel like shit at the end of the day. I just have a terrible outlook on my life. Absolutely no reason why I should, and I've been working on that for some time with counseling and medication but there has been little improvement. One thing about a degree is I can literally hold my achievement in my hands. No other reason why I'm getting a degree other than I've always wanted to go to school and say "I did that".

    That's the best I can do at describing why I want it.



  • @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    This college has arguably the best program in the state and I am learning some stuff here and there.

    That's a horrible indictment of the education system as a whole.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    @BBigford said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    This college has arguably the best program in the state and I am learning some stuff here and there.

    That's a horrible indictment of the education system as a whole.

    If I hadn't been working in the industry already, I'd be overwhelmed with the things that is being taught. There is a ton of useful information, but I feel like I'm just hearing a repeat of things I already know. But there are things here and there that I don't already know.

    Things will get increasingly more difficult so I'll pick up on more and more I'm sure. Watching the growth of people in the class I have befriended, I can definitely say it's a good program for people coming from zero knowledge to more advanced. It has a good balance too. Teaching the basics and what to teach in a specific order. Then branching out and teaching systems that you maybe don't learn in other competing schools. I wish they would have spent more time on Linux server administration as it felt rushed and there was so much more we could have done, but I can't complain too much.



  • What school is this? If it's a DeVry type of place, it's worthless. Any future employer will likely look at that and think you just over paid for something you could have gotten from a book and a lab.

    If it's a recognized decent school - they how are you getting away with few non relevant core classes?



  • @Dashrender said in AstroTurf is super green.:

    What school is this? If it's a DeVry type of place, it's worthless. Any future employer will likely look at that and think you just over paid for something you could have gotten from a book and a lab.

    If it's a recognized decent school - they how are you getting away with few non relevant core classes?

    College of Western Idaho. Comparable programs are found at Idaho State University (where I will likely transfer to as CWI only has a 2-year program), and Lewis-Clark State College.

    You can't transfer to a broad view university like, say, Boise State University. Because your credits won't transfer cause you need tons and tons of core classes. But you can transfer to another school like Idaho State or Western Governor's (Salt Lake) that have a comparable program. They don't require core classes like 600 classes in Geology/Literature/etc... as interesting as those classes are. Instead they are filled with core classes directly related to your major... like Linux administration, Routing and Switching, Windows Server, SAN/virtualization, Exchange, SharePoint, etc.



  • Isn't that a community college?