SMB NAS
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
Looks like Wiki does say AFP.
AFP is what I have heard even though Mac is now SMB as a standard protocol.
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What's the push for a NAS?
Central location of Time Machine backups, able to have disks mirrored. I could have some janky work around like having a Mini with the 1TB onboard, and have a 1TB external and try to match them as close as possible with specs...
What protocol does Time Machine use? NFS?
Apple does not use NFS for anything. No one knows why.
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@wirestyle22 said
Is there a reason you have to buy a commercial NAS? Why not make your own? The only thing I can think of is power consumption.
What is the NAS DU JOUR these days?
The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.
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Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
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@scottalanmiller said
The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.
I mean the DIYer, but I did a little research, and then went to watch Jurassic Park, hint hint.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
The reason it's not considered a business product, though, is because it is effectively unsupported. Even their big rack mount units costing quite a bit of money have a two week, 100% data loss SLA and no engineering looking at things like hardware compatibility. Not serious gear.
The people reviewing and rating it are mostly home users. So their insight tends to be myopic. They are rarely comparing it to what else is out there, just comparing it to what they know, which is generally very little. So you get really skewed info.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
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@scottalanmiller said
The Synology family, which includes ioSafe. ReadyNAS would be the close second. Really, no one but those two has been in competition for a good long time.
I mean the DIYer, but I did a little research, and then went to watch Jurassic Park, hint hint.
Check the SAM-SD group! We have a whole group just for that!
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
Even their big rack mount units costing quite a bit of money have a two week
Did not know that, good to know. The last rack NAS I put in place was a Synology RS3614xs+, seemed like a good performing unit after it was all configured. SLA was pretty minimal should we have had a problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
#NeverQNAP. Can this be a thing? I'm making it a thing.
I haven't used QNAP in a while, but I still see them get great ratings. I just stopped using them because they had worse performance on paper and cost more than, say, Synology.
Great ratings from consumers and people who don't enact their SLA. The two week SLA means that no one in a serious business is using them in a serious role... so you have to understand the context of the ratings. Ratings don't tell you very much if you don't know if the ratings are comparative or not.
I was only using the ratings as a reflection of the product itself, not the turn around or customer service. I've had zero interaction with QNAP since I've never had to send one back. If something as small as a 2-bay unit failed, I wouldn't expect much since it is not something that has an agreement for overnight or something. That would exceed the cost of the unit by far I would think..
Even their big rack mount units costing quite a bit of money have a two week
Did not know that, good to know. The last rack NAS I put in place was a Synology RS3614xs+, seemed like a good performing unit after it was all configured. SLA was pretty minimal should have had a problem.
Yes, Synology is good stuff with some of the best support in the SMB Storage arena.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
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I've been looking at some different NAS devices. Synology, QNAP, etc. Also looked at LaCie & G-RAID because they have Thunderbolt and this will connect to a Mac Mini. Anyone tried out any devices they particularly like? I won't hold my breath for anyone connecting it via Thunderbolt, but if you have...
Put in a ReadyNAS just a few months ago for here at home. Been pretty happy thus far with it, but haven't had (taken) the time to do a deep dive. It's a four bay with 2TB drives.
This is somewhat a #SAM recommendation.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
Ah, okay I see what you're saying now. Honestly the only thing that has me enticed about the LaCie is that I can just directly attach it to the Mini via Thunderbolt and configure the RAID from within the OS X server. But I've been leaning to the Synology for a little higher cost but for a unit I know is better. I think it comes out to about $200-300 more overall. Not that much when you consider we'll have it for like 5 years... Plus I like that it isn't dependent on the server to configure, I can configure and manage it from any device.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
I've heard some seriously mixed reviews from IT pros about ReadyNAS so I have yet to try them. So you like them a lot?
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
Which of the three manufacturers do you typically always recommend? Whenever I see reviews between Synology and ReadyNAS it always seems like a push... like it comes down to preference if the prices are the same. Nothing definitive from either side like "their support is terrible, the turn around on parts is fantastic whereas the other is not, the software on this one is garbage/buggy/etc."
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
I've heard some seriously mixed reviews from IT pros about ReadyNAS so I have yet to try them. So you like them a lot?
Have a couple of them, have used them for most of a decade. Quite good. Have had no issues. Good support, good company and good product.
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@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
@scottalanmiller said in SMB NAS:
Thunderbolt is DAS technology. So you can't use it on a device being used as a NAS. The two cannot coexist for the same "shares."
Right, I've been debating between the two. Get a Synology NAS, or a LaCie 2big RAID with Thunderbolt. Easier to manage, but the internals of the LaCie have far less resources than the Synology from what I can see. Going all over different sites and LaCie's site, I can't find any specifics on the CPU, RAM, etc though. Weird...
Again... don't even look at consumer gear. It will all end in tears.
With the budget I'm working with, and how few users are going to be on it, I can't afford something in the business class with a better SLA.
Something like this with a couple 4TB WD Red Pros would suffice...
Synology is not consumer. Lacie is.
Your short list should be Synology (and ioSafe by extension) and ReadyNAS. That's pretty much it. Buffalo, Drobo... they have a place but pretty niche. For your needs, Synology and ReadyNAS, that's it.
Which of the three manufacturers do you typically always recommend? Whenever I see reviews between Synology and ReadyNAS it always seems like a push... like it comes down to preference if the prices are the same. Nothing definitive from either side like "their support is terrible, the turn around on parts is fantastic whereas the other is not, the software on this one is garbage/buggy/etc."
ioSafe is unique. If you want what they offer, use them. Plain and simple. No one else does fire and water proof NAS devices. And ioSafe is quite active here, which is a huge bonus. And I have one myself
Synology vs ReadyNAS is to me basically HPE vs. Dell. They are basically the same quality and same product. Personal preference is more important than the differences between the two products. Both are excellent. Don't worry about which one you choose. I refuse to play favourites, they are both totally good choices. You can't get religious about these things. Rule out the companies that don't have good support or products or cost too much, figure out where the remainder fit on the field.
Synology and ReadyNAS take the big "cake" bit of the SMB storage field. Drobo handles most of the icing. Buffalo trails behind but offers one or two niche solutions because they offer a Windows based product.
