OSX Server - Free?



  • I thought OSX Server went from $20, to free. I see now that it is $20 but thought Apple had released something saying it was being given away. I know new OSX desktop installs are now free, so maybe I got those mixed up...

    Did I miss something, or has Server remained at $20 for some time?



  • You got it mixed up. OS X is free since 10.7 I believe. OS X server is $20. I think it was a bit more expensive in the past, $80 perhaps?



  • @marcinozga said in OSX Server - Free?:

    You got it mixed up. OS X is free since 10.7 I believe. OS X server is $20. I think it was a bit more expensive in the past, $80 perhaps?

    That's what I was starting to think... Thanks!



  • @marcinozga said in OSX Server - Free?:

    You got it mixed up. OS X is free since 10.7 I believe. OS X server is $20. I think it was a bit more expensive in the past, $80 perhaps?

    I remember it being $50 for some time.


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    OSX Server is just an App and it doesn't do that much. Good thing it's only $20.



  • And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.


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    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.



  • @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.

    I would guess Sendmail, just because that feels like something Apple would choose.



  • @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.

    I would guess Sendmail, just because that feels like something Apple would choose.

    At a previous job of mine we used PPC Xserves (back in the OS X 10.3/10.4 days) and Apple's "mail" implementation was vanilla Postfix. I don't know if that's true today.



  • Once I retired their OS X mail server (moved them to Zimbra, but they've since migrated to Google Apps), the only reason we kept an OS X server around was for Apple's Workgroup Manager (the Apple version of Group Policies more-or-less).



  • @anthonyh said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.

    I would guess Sendmail, just because that feels like something Apple would choose.

    At a previous job of mine we used PPC Xserves (back in the OS X 10.3/10.4 days) and Apple's "mail" implementation was vanilla Postfix. I don't know if that's true today.

    That's pretty sad, but at least it was Postfix and not Sendmail.



  • @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @anthonyh said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.

    I would guess Sendmail, just because that feels like something Apple would choose.

    At a previous job of mine we used PPC Xserves (back in the OS X 10.3/10.4 days) and Apple's "mail" implementation was vanilla Postfix. I don't know if that's true today.

    That's pretty sad, but at least it was Postfix and not Sendmail.

    I forgot to add. Their webmail interface was vanilla Squirrel Mail, too (or maybe, at the time, there was no webmail interface and we set up Squirrel Mail...I can't remember now). In any rate it was pretty ugly.


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    @anthonyh said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @anthonyh said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    And it used to be just a collection of things that were already free. Like OpenLDAP and Samba.

    Yep. I think it has some SMTP server in there too. Not sure which.

    I would guess Sendmail, just because that feels like something Apple would choose.

    At a previous job of mine we used PPC Xserves (back in the OS X 10.3/10.4 days) and Apple's "mail" implementation was vanilla Postfix. I don't know if that's true today.

    That's pretty sad, but at least it was Postfix and not Sendmail.

    I forgot to add. Their webmail interface was vanilla Squirrel Mail, too (or maybe, at the time, there was no webmail interface and we set up Squirrel Mail...I can't remember now). In any rate it was pretty ugly.

    Wow that's the worst one. RoundCube was much better



  • @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @marcinozga said in OSX Server - Free?:

    You got it mixed up. OS X is free since 10.7 I believe. OS X server is $20. I think it was a bit more expensive in the past, $80 perhaps?

    I remember it being $50 for some time.

    From xServe ($4k) to OSX Server ($500) to Server.App ($20)... It'll either be a cheap home server type application, or dead, in 5 years at this rate.



  • Also, according to Apple as of a conversation yesterday with business solutions: "Apple has drastically scaled back its server offering. Getting rid of clean installs and granular control over xSan, Apple is focused on smaller and smaller businesses rather than the large enterprise it targeted with xServe, and even medium businesses with it's OSX Server such as Lion and Snow Leopard."



  • I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.


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    @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.

    They were better in the PowerPC days. When they moved to Intel they were a more overpriced, cheaper built Windows machine.



  • @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.

    I tried using it for a client one time. It didn't work, at all. We escalated the issue to Apple support all the way to engineering. Engineering was super helpful and responsive but their final answer was "the product just doesn't work and Apple is not going to fix or address it, broken is simply the state of the product and will remain so." And that was that. It's simply a non-viable, unsupported product. I would never touch it again.



  • @Jason said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.

    They were better in the PowerPC days. When they moved to Intel they were a more overpriced, cheaper built Windows machine.

    They were even less powerful in the PPC days, though.



  • @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.

    I tried using it for a client one time. It didn't work, at all. We escalated the issue to Apple support all the way to engineering. Engineering was super helpful and responsive but their final answer was "the product just doesn't work and Apple is not going to fix or address it, broken is simply the state of the product and will remain so." And that was that. It's simply a non-viable, unsupported product. I would never touch it again.

    The two servers I put in, OpenDirectory (or whatever apple calls it) corrupted on both of them... big pain to rebuild.



  • @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @scottalanmiller said in OSX Server - Free?:

    @brianlittlejohn said in OSX Server - Free?:

    I have always loved macs...well since they switched to Intel processors... but could not stand OS X Server. Nothing ever worked right for me with OSX Server and then the documentation on it was horrendous.

    I tried using it for a client one time. It didn't work, at all. We escalated the issue to Apple support all the way to engineering. Engineering was super helpful and responsive but their final answer was "the product just doesn't work and Apple is not going to fix or address it, broken is simply the state of the product and will remain so." And that was that. It's simply a non-viable, unsupported product. I would never touch it again.

    The two servers I put in, OpenDirectory (or whatever apple calls it) corrupted on both of them... big pain to rebuild.

    Yup, Apple just isn't a business focused company. Sure their desktops are better than their server, but the overall issues are really that Apple just doesn't take business needs seriously and still sees their products as an entertainment platform, not a business one.