MS removed SharePoint from Business plans
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It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
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It's still listed here (called Team Sites):
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-business-premium?
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@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
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@Dashrender I do not get your issue with this entire thread? All of the plans that had SharePoint still have SharePoint. All of the plans that did not, still do not.
Basically, the only plan that does not have SharePoint is the Office applications only plan, currently called "Office 365 Business." This plan, in all its various names, has never included that.
Also, the one comment not knowing if something was OneDrive or OneDrive for Business? That is being just flat dense. Office 365 "Business" plans come with OneDrive for Business. All of them.
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@JaredBusch said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender I do not get your issue with this entire thread? All of the plans that had SharePoint still have SharePoint. All of the plans that did not, still do not.
Basically, the only plan that does not have SharePoint is the Office applications only plan, currently called "Office 365 Business." This plan, in all its various names, has never included that.
Here are the Business level plans - I used to have something called Small Business - which included SharePoint. But these new Business plans don't. There are two Business plans here that don't have SharePoint. But in the past they did, albeit under a slightly different name.
Also, the one comment not knowing if something was OneDrive or OneDrive for Business? That is being just flat dense. Office 365 "Business" plans come with OneDrive for Business. All of them.
I was being dense on purpose.. I do agree though - O365 business accounts, be it Business or Enterprise, they are probably all using ODfB, and not OneDrive.
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This was published back in 2014
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/moving-to-the-new-office-365-plans-for-small-and-midsized-businesses
So unless they just forgot to list Team Sites (aka SharePoint) it looks like they removed it within the past two years.
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@Dashrender said
So unless they just forgot to list Team Sites (aka SharePoint) it looks like they removed it within the past two years.
I just chatted with them. If you click "LEARN MORE" it is listed.
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-business-essentials
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
This was published back in 2014
https://products.office.com/en-us/business/moving-to-the-new-office-365-plans-for-small-and-midsized-businessesSo unless they just forgot to list Team Sites (aka SharePoint) it looks like they removed it within the past two years.
Click learn more. It is listed there. https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-business-essentials
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Sigh - so I have to go digging for it on the business plans, but not on the Enterprise plans.... shakes head
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
Sigh - so I have to go digging for it on the business plans, but not on the Enterprise plans.... shakes head
What? Do you want things to be ... EASY?
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@BRRABill said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
Sigh - so I have to go digging for it on the business plans, but not on the Enterprise plans.... shakes head
What? Do you want things to be ... EASY?
Well, in this case I want them to only be consistent.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
OK I missed seeing Team Sites listed last night. OK E1 does still have it.
@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
E1 still lists the 1TB of OdFB too.
The Business plans come with 1 TB of storage too, but we don't know if it's ODfB or OneDrive? Doesn't say.
And frankly, neither does E1 or better.
In either case, this doesn't improve my situation much - instead of being $10/user/month, it's $8. That's still $3 more that the Business plan was, at 60% more cost.
While true, it does not say, we can safely assume that they aren't mixing in OneDrive. You might as well assume that they are using ownCloud or DropBox, it's not related to the product line and not appropriate here, not historically what they have used and would make no sense. There is nothing that would make you think that that was an option.
Sure, if you were approaching this with no knowledge of the product, we are left wondering what they are offering or how. But we know this line up and what it is, there is no reason to start interjecting random fears like that they are actually going to use Zimbra for their hosted email.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
If so, I can add to my ever growing list of reasons why the business plans suck and should be avoided, even for small businesses.
I believe that Scott has pretty much always suggested that people start at E1 and never look at anything less - back in the day this was, I believe, mainly because you couldn't switch from a Small Business account to an E level account, but I believe that MS has changed that now.
That's correct. Although the Small Business plans improved a lot and I'm not sure that the Enterprise are the only viable plans any longer. But I would look at them very seriously, at the very least.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It all feels a bit bait and switch to me. I wonder how many companies have started out with the business plans and then been forced to upgrade to an Enterprise plan for one reason or another.
The changing of old plans is what feels wrong to me. The taking away of features makes me think that MS under priced the option and realized that they need to have people pay more to cover the costs (and the needed profit margin).
Why do small businesses get Office for $8.50/month, yet larger companies must pay $12? This graduated pricing scale is frustrating. The E3 plan is the awesome sweet spot, but it's still pretty darned expensive.
Small businesses don't get all of the features, making paying less make more sense. Also, they can't effectively leverage certain features, even if they have access to them.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
They don't offer Enteprise and haven't for a while, do they?
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@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
They don't offer Enteprise and haven't for a while, do they?
Whoops wrong word.. I meant Datacenter.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
They don't offer Enteprise and haven't for a while, do they?
Whoops wrong word.. I meant Datacenter.
I think that they changed the name when they changed the purpose. Enterprise had more features or raised limits like CPUs, RAM or whatever. Datacenter denoted that it was about licensing options.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
They don't offer Enteprise and haven't for a while, do they?
Whoops wrong word.. I meant Datacenter.
I think that they changed the name when they changed the purpose. Enterprise had more features or raised limits like CPUs, RAM or whatever. Datacenter denoted that it was about licensing options.
Right, Enterprise was 4 CPU and I forget the RAM cap. Datacenter also had higher CPU and RAM allowances than Enterprise. Ditching Enterprise and moving to a purely licensing model definitely made things much easier. All versions of Windows Server have all features - now you're just licensing hardware - pretty simple. It's amazing actually that MS did this considering how complex so many of their other licenses are.
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@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@scottalanmiller said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Dashrender said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
@Carnival-Boy said in MS removed SharePoint from Business plans:
It kind of makes sense if you compare it to their traditional products where they have Enterprise and Standard versions. The Enterprise versions are identical to the Standard versions but with the addition of extra features that tend to be used in larger companies. But it seems to be have been implemented on-the-fly, without much care and attention, and as a result it is incredibly confusing - especially when it seem to change every week.
I agree with the standard vs enterprise level of things - but even that has lost some of it's potency because Windows Server no longer has any difference technologically between standard and enterprise. Instead it's just a licensing difference.
They don't offer Enteprise and haven't for a while, do they?
Whoops wrong word.. I meant Datacenter.
I think that they changed the name when they changed the purpose. Enterprise had more features or raised limits like CPUs, RAM or whatever. Datacenter denoted that it was about licensing options.
Right, Enterprise was 4 CPU and I forget the RAM cap. Datacenter also had higher CPU and RAM allowances than Enterprise. Ditching Enterprise and moving to a purely licensing model definitely made things much easier. All versions of Windows Server have all features - now you're just licensing hardware - pretty simple. It's amazing actually that MS did this considering how complex so many of their other licenses are.
Which products do you feel are more complex? This seems very in line with their other products that I can think of. I see a lot of confusion around MS licensing and some ambiguity intentionally from MS to enable audits, but very little complexity beyond what we have with this.
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VDI seems complex in licensing.
