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      Carnival Boy @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said:

      How would you connect the NAS directly to the server?

      Er, crossover cable. Is that right?

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        marcinozga @Carnival Boy
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        @Carnival-Boy said:

        @Dashrender said:

        How would you connect the NAS directly to the server?

        Er, crossover cable. Is that right?

        Why crossover? 1Gbit and faster doesn't require crossover anymore.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#Auto_MDI-X

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          Carnival Boy
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          Oh, ok. I really have no idea. I was just getting info from here https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/198210-10gb-and-nas-direct-connect-or-need-a-switch

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            scottalanmiller @Carnival Boy
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            @Carnival-Boy said:

            Oh, ok. I really have no idea. I was just getting info from here https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/198210-10gb-and-nas-direct-connect-or-need-a-switch

            You can always do direct. Should be fine with straight cable. Nothing requires a switch, a switch is supposed to be invisible on the network.

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            • wrx7mW
              wrx7m
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              My Veeam server is a VM and I use a Synology 1813+ with 8 4TB Seagate Constellation HDDs in OBR10 as a backup repository. With Veeam 9, you can create the scale-out backup repository that allows you to add several device types and combine them into a single repository. I would not run Veeam on a physical server.

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              • wrx7mW
                wrx7m
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                Furthermore, with several (maybe most) Synology models you can expand/add storage via optional enclosures that would be completely transparent to the devices you are presenting the volumes to. So it would not even need the Veeam scale-out feature to allow you to increase storage capacity.

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                  Carnival Boy
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                  Is it ok to run Veeam server as a VM on the host that you want to backup, or should it always be on a separate host? Or can you install it on two hosts for redundancy? We only use local storage for VMs.

                  Is you repository part of a VM or just raw storage outside of any hypervisor?

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
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                    You can install Veeam where ever you want. Just keep in mind that if you install it as a VM on your one and only VM host, when that host is down, so is your ability to restore any data, So this means that you need to have a plan on who you are going to gain access to your backups so you can restore them to another VM Host.

                    As for the backup data - @wrx7m did mention that he is backing up his data to a Synology 1813+ which he called a backup repository. While he didn't specifically say it, we can only hope that his VMs aren't running from that same appliance. If that assumption is true, and he has a VM host failure, his recovery scenerio could be like the following:

                    install Veeam on a desktop in the office
                    import backups from Synology
                    install hypervisor on new VM host
                    restore VMs to new VM host

                    This is a very top level view of steps, but as you can see it's really not that complicated.

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                      Carnival Boy @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said:

                      You can install Veeam where ever you want.

                      Well, yeah. But just because I can doesn't mean I should.

                      My second question is basically asking if the repository is a CIFs share on the NAS, or storage on a Windows/Linux VM (with the VMs storage being a datastore on the NAS) . I'm inclined to use the latter, but don't know what's best.

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                        Dashrender @Carnival Boy
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                        @Carnival-Boy said:

                        @Dashrender said:

                        You can install Veeam where ever you want.

                        Well, yeah. But just because I can doesn't mean I should.

                        I suppose that's true. If you have a Windows license free to run Veeam on the VM host, I'd probably do that.

                        My second question is basically asking if the repository is a CIFs share on the NAS, or storage on a Windows/Linux VM (with the VMs storage being a datastore on the NAS) . I'm inclined to use the latter, but don't know what's best.

                        If the ultimate location of the data is on a NAS, I'd skip the intermediary step of the VM.

                        here's my setup:
                        VM running AppAssure Replay (it's like Veeam, mostly) attached to that I have DAS storage - a Drobo Pro that only works with either USB 2.0 or iSCSI. So I have the appliance mapped directly inside my Replay VM. In case of VM host failure, I can move the iSCSI connection to another host, install Replay, import the backups and be back in business.

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                        • wrx7mW
                          wrx7m @Carnival Boy
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                          @Carnival-Boy You can run as a VM and Veeam will backup itself/its own VM. I only use local storage too. If you add the NAS in Veeam, you don't need it to be a VMware datastore.

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                          • wrx7mW
                            wrx7m
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                            I am not running any VMs off of the NAS that I backup to. That would just be stupid. 😉

                            I do have a file share for my Graphic design team on another NAS (older Synology 1812+) that does have a VMware datastore on it and a single VMDK for data. That VMDK is backed up during the normal Veeam backup to the normal backup repository.

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                              wrx7m @Carnival Boy
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                              @Carnival-Boy Mine is a CFIS share on my NAS that is not shared via Windows but by Synology, itself.
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                              • wrx7mW
                                wrx7m
                                last edited by wrx7m

                                Another thing is that with Veeam you should also be backing up the config. This would allow you to install Veeam wherever and import/restore the config to another box. Access it by going to the Menu and selecting Configuration Backup.

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                                  Dashrender @wrx7m
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                                  @wrx7m said:

                                  @Carnival-Boy You can run as a VM and Veeam will backup itself/its own VM. I only use local storage too. If you add the NAS in Veeam, you don't need it to be a VMware datastore.

                                  @wrx7m said:

                                  @Carnival-Boy Mine is a CFIS share on my NAS that is not shared via Windows but by Synology, itself.
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                                  These two posts seem to contradict themselves. First you mention only using local storage, then mention using a NAS. Do you mean you only use local storage for the VMDKs? If so, that's contradicted by this post.

                                  @wrx7m said:

                                  I do have a file share for my Graphic design team on another NAS (older Synology 1812+) that does have a VMware datastore on it and a single VMDK for data. That VMDK is backed up during the normal Veeam backup to the normal backup repository.

                                  where you mention that you have a VMDK on a different NAS. 🙂

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                                    wrx7m @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender I mentioned that I only use local storage as it applied to the Veeam server itself. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I also specifically mentioned that a VM has a separate VMDK that is on the secondary NAS.

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                                      Dashrender @wrx7m
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                                      @wrx7m said:

                                      @Dashrender I mentioned that I only use local storage as it applied to the Veeam server itself. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I also specifically mentioned that a VM has a separate VMDK that is on the secondary NAS.

                                      thanks for the clarity 😉

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                                      • DenisKelleyD
                                        DenisKelley
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                                        I've run Veeam both (in the past for over a year) on a VM on one of my hosts and now on a physical server. The latter is recent and I'm doing B2D2T and my LTO hangs off the physical server. Just was a free box. Whether physical or virtual, definitely keep the backup config in a different location. With that, it really doesn't take long to get it back somewhere else. My target is still a NAS using CIFS, but that will change probably when I redo my storage and hosts. You get a decent performance boost by using it as a iSCSI target vs CIFS. Mine works fine with the latter, so YMMV.

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