O365 Fully Installed vs. Online Versions



  • I tried googling the differences and I don't see anything concrete listed. I know a lot of you are using it. Is this just a feature thing (as is listed) or can I not use word locally without being connected to the internet?



  • What exactly do you want to know?



  • @Minion-Queen said:

    What exactly do you want to know?

    We're a non-profit and here they list the pricing plans etc. We can get this for free but the it lacks the fully installed version. What are we missing with the online version? Why charge basically



  • What do you mean by fully installed vs online? O365 seems to be just a licensing model and there is no real difference between Office no matter how it is purchased. Barring of course addons like Access and the like.



  • @coliver said:

    What do you mean by fully installed vs online? O365 seems to be just a licensing model and there is no real difference between Office no matter how it is purchased. Barring of course addons like Access and the like.

    Look at the link I posted above. That's what I don't understand. I don't know what the real difference is and if there isn't one then why is it offered?



  • Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office. If that is what you need then they work really well.



  • @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.



  • Yeah like one of the things in Excel Online that is missing is the ability to freeze columns.

    They are very basic versions of the programs.



  • @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.

    My plan was to create an OwnCloud server on Vultr. There is no other way to access the files on that server without syncing to ODfB and having them use ODfB as the primary file server? There is no way for me to use the OwnCloud server as the main server and sync to ODfB as a remote backup?



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.

    My plan was to create an OwnCloud server on Vultr. There is no other way to access the files on that server without syncing to ODfB and having them use that as the primary file server? There is no way for me to use the OwnCloud server as the main server and sync to ODfB as a remote backup?

    I just doublechecked, and there isn't any way in Word to open from a non O365 location other than files accessed on the net. It appears that DropBox has hooks that allow you to access those files if you have the client installed locally. There may be something down the road with OwnCloud, but I wouldn't hold my breath.



  • @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.

    My plan was to create an OwnCloud server on Vultr. There is no other way to access the files on that server without syncing to ODfB and having them use that as the primary file server? There is no way for me to use the OwnCloud server as the main server and sync to ODfB as a remote backup?

    I just doublechecked, and there isn't any way in Word to open from a non O365 location other than files accessed on the net. It appears that DropBox has hooks that allow you to access those files if you have the client installed locally. There may be something down the road with OwnCloud, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Ughhhhhh. Kill me.



  • Has anyone attempted to use ODfB as their primary file server?



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    Has anyone attempted to use ODfB as their primary file server?

    I think NTG & co do that for some things, if I'm not mistaken.



  • @dafyre said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    Has anyone attempted to use ODfB as their primary file server?

    I think NTG & co do that for some things, if I'm not mistaken.

    I guess that is my only option. RIP Vultr. Gonna miss you boo



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @dafyre said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    Has anyone attempted to use ODfB as their primary file server?

    I think NTG & co do that for some things, if I'm not mistaken.

    I guess that is my only option. RIP Vultr

    Why is ODfB your only option?



  • @dafyre said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @dafyre said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    Has anyone attempted to use ODfB as their primary file server?

    I think NTG & co do that for some things, if I'm not mistaken.

    I guess that is my only option. RIP Vultr

    Why is ODfB your only option?

    We are moving to a mostly free O365. Only the directors and a few others will be getting the locally installed version. Why would I bother setting up Vultr as a file server when it's only going to be syncing with O365. It's basically a backup at that point, right?



  • There are some caveats with SharePoint Online. It has issues with certain characters, file name lengths, you cannot have more than 5,000 items in a given view, etc. I haven't attempted to use it as a file server in about a year, but there were enough issues that we were not able to retire our local file server for all of our teams.



  • @Kelly said:

    There are some caveats with SharePoint Online. It has issues with certain characters, file name lengths, you cannot have more than 5,000 items in a given view, etc. I haven't attempted to use it as a file server in about a year, but there were enough issues that we were not able to retire our local file server for all of our teams.

    That is essentially what I am trying to do. @dafyre this is basically where I'm at.



  • Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.

    My plan was to create an OwnCloud server on Vultr. There is no other way to access the files on that server without syncing to ODfB and having them use ODfB as the primary file server? There is no way for me to use the OwnCloud server as the main server and sync to ODfB as a remote backup?

    Why would you want to do this though? If you're plan is to use O365 Online Apps, why use ownCloud at all?



  • @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @Kelly said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @coliver said:

    Oh the difference between Office Web Apps and Office.

    Office Web Apps (Word Online, Excel Online, Etc.) leave a lot to be desired. They are more akin to Google Docs then the full version of Office.

    I wanted to know specifically what they are capable of doing and what they aren't but I don't see any of that listed. For my average user I'm sure the online version would be fine but I was asked the difference and I really didn't know from a features standpoint.

    The largest, and starkest, difference is file access. Office Web Apps will open files stored in One Drive for Business (ODfB). I don't believe (unless something has changed recently) that there is a way to access LAN or local files without sync'ing them to SharePoint Online or ODfB. You also cannot use any macros or scripts, and some advanced functions are missing. There are some others that are oddly MIA as well. I'd have some of your users trial it and see if they can make it work.

    My plan was to create an OwnCloud server on Vultr. There is no other way to access the files on that server without syncing to ODfB and having them use ODfB as the primary file server? There is no way for me to use the OwnCloud server as the main server and sync to ODfB as a remote backup?

    Why would you want to do this though? If you're plan is to use O365 Online Apps, why use ownCloud at all?

    I didn't know that you couldn't access the files on it. I wanted to go from a local file server to a hosted solution but obviously that isn't going to work



  • @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    This, 1000x THIS!



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.

    I'm asking because I don't know. The locally installed versions would cost us more than our local file server costs us to maintain. We have a very basic file server and around 500 users. At $4.50 per user per month I can't justify it. They won't pay it.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.

    Is the way for me to sync ODfB across all my users and still be able to use O365 using the client I listed? If so, has anyone ever attempted this? What was the result if so?



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.

    I'm asking because I don't know. The locally installed versions would cost us more than our local file server costs us to maintain. We have a very basic file server and around 500 users. At $4.50 per user per month I can't justify it. They won't pay it.

    How much offline access to files do you need? Do most of your users work at their desk or do they work at odd hours remotely? How often are people not on the network.

    Do you need Office? Does something like LibreOffice work to fill that gap?



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.

    I'm asking because I don't know. The locally installed versions would cost us more than our local file server costs us to maintain. We have a very basic file server and around 500 users. At $4.50 per user per month I can't justify it. They won't pay it.

    I'm confused. Where did $4.50 come from? 500 users clearly puts you in the E1-E5 line of choices for O365. E1 online apps only is $8/u/m, E3 - locally installed office is $20/u/m.



  • @wirestyle22 said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @wirestyle22 said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    Word/Excel online also do not like to save into the SharePoint team site documents folder. Once you open one through there, you can see it in the recent history, but you cannot directly save a new document into it easily.

    SharePoint team site documents also have to be xlsx/docx to be opened in their respective online applications from the web interface.

    Thank you for the information. Is there a viable way to do what I am trying to do or is this not really feasible yet? I see that they have an ODfB sync client. Zero experience with any of this.

    Why bother with the sync client? The locally installed versions will download and upload on the fly directly to ODfB, no reason to sync other than offline access.

    Is the way for me to sync ODfB across all my users and still be able to use O365 using the client I listed? If so, has anyone ever attempted this? What was the result if so?

    I'm sorry I must have missed the client you listed.. what was it called?


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