ownCloud warnings


  • Service Provider

    @jospoortvliet said:

    @scottalanmiller I agree on your stance with regard to LTS, by the way 😉

    I think that the LTS idea is just not really that relevant anymore in 2016. Better upgrade often and in small steps with each perhaps a minor issue to resolve than only break everything once every three years...

    Which has long been the OpenSuse philosophy. Although with the advent of Leap this past year, they are moving in the other direction towards CentOS's LTS philosophy. Ubuntu remains committed to no LTS and just provides a name to trick those demanding that they have it. It's a nice combination of keeping things up to date and pushing the problems to people insisting on something that doesn't make sense in their ecosystem.

    It's going to take a really long time for most application vendors and large businesses to want to move away from an LTS model, though. It makes application support so much easier.


  • Service Provider

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    


  • @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.


  • Service Provider

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.



  • @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    The Repo URLs may have changed between 8.x and 9.x?


  • Service Provider

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo

    You are just trying to get the Errors to go away anyhow, right?



  • @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    This install was built on the 8.2 repo. I would not expect it to update to the 9 repo.
    wget http://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/CentOS_7/ce:8.2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/ce:8.2.repo

    Ah I see. Mine is using the CE stable repo sorry.


  • Service Provider

    @dafyre said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @coliver said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    That's odd my CentOS6.5 system was able to install ownCloud9 from a repo.

    This thread has nothing to do with upgrading to 9

    You said you did yum updates and it went to 8.2.3 from 8.2.2. When I run yum updates on my older OS it updates to 9.0. Just odd that yours didn't.

    The Repo URLs may have changed between 8.x and 9.x?

    Right, I don't want my systems to do such a major update automagically because I use yum-cron to keep packages up to date.


  • Service Provider

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    @jospoortvliet I am still waiting on you to answer this...


  • Service Provider

    @JaredBusch yeah, Jared is running the very latest of what seems like the recommended platform. How are we ever supposed to be current if the latest is "old and unsupported?"


  • Vendor

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    Seems like your internet connection is working again? If the error is still there, I looked and it is caused by a problem with the CURL version your PHP is built with. In other words, it is a bug in your distribution which causes this error. ownCloud tries to check if it is connected, it gets an error and thus lets you know that. You'll find the error in your logs. See this github issue.

    cURL is testing and failing on a certificate, not on the Internet connection according to what I read there. That would mean that the error is also wrong as it isn't the Internet test that failed. So while you can say that cURL has a bug, the error is blatantly wrong given the error that happens. So while cURL needs to be addressed, this is obviously an ownCloud bug too that needs to be fixed. Bubbling up a false error message is always wrong.

    True, it'd be nicer to give a warning which accurately reflects the problem. I guess this is low in the stack and can't be detected by ownCloud, or we just didn't get to fixing this part...


  • Vendor

    @JaredBusch said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    @jospoortvliet said:

    re why the YUM repo doesn't have ownCloud 9.0 - that might actually be because we don't support your old OS anymore? See the upgrade blog for what we support as of today. You can use packages from another repo, actually, as the 'owncloud-files' one has no dependencies or other magic and thus should work nearly anywhere. That way, you can still have ownCloud 9 if you want.

    But I'd recommend not to run such old software if you can avoid it.

    My old OS? WTF?

    Last login: Wed Mar  9 10:39:15 2016 from 10.254.103.20
    [[email protected] ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core)
    [[email protected] ~]# rpm -q centos-release
    centos-release-7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10.x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]# uname -rmi
    3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 x86_64 x86_64
    [[email protected] ~]#
    

    @jospoortvliet I am still waiting on you to answer this...

    sorry, I was juggling to many threads and mixing up some. I didn't know what OS you were running, we dropped support for Fedora for example. You run CentOS 7.x, that we provide packages for. And that is all that 'support' means (unless you're paying for a actual support contract with Inc, of course). So if there are problems with a platform we provide packages for - well, we'll warn you about those problems. We can't fix them (your vendor has to) but we warn about them.

    See http://mangolassi.it/topic/8379/owncloud-9-is-here/96 for a longer answer to a similar conversation.


  • Service Provider

    At this point, I am not reading the thread as it is so useless. For the record, I have emailed ownCloud corporate to verify that we don't have a disgruntled employee situation on our hands before this conversation continues. I don't want ownCloud being thrown under the boss if this is not actually an ownCloud representative. A good disgruntled employee wanting to do maximum damage would do so in exactly this way. So I am asking that this thread be locked and not unlocked until ownCloud verifies that we have real representation on this thread. So much damage is being done to their reputation that I feel they need to weigh in and verify that this is intentional.



  • I'm working to get some clarification here and appreciate the perspectives on this. While I can't guarantee consensus, hoping to provide some more objective follow-up. Thanks for your patience.



  • @scottalanmiller

    What's the latest??


  • Service Provider

    @FATeknollogee said:

    @scottalanmiller

    What's the latest??

    They are between community calls right now. I spoke with them about an hour ago, @JaredBusch is speaking with them shortly. We had a very good conversation and they are preparing a full response but I would assume not until after they speak with Jared as they want to be sure to address his concerns. I think that you will be happy with the response when it comes.

    They said that they will link from this thread to the response when it is available.



  • @scottalanmiller

    Thx for the update.

    How is @jospoortvliet related to OC?



  • @FATeknollogee said:

    @scottalanmiller

    Thx for the update.

    How is @jospoortvliet related to OC?

    Good question.


  • Service Provider

    @FATeknollogee said:

    How is @jospoortvliet related to OC?

    He is an engineer with the development team, I believe. He's definitely on staff there.



  • To address some questions raised here and elsewhere, please see http://mangolassi.it/topic/8425/owncloud-9-0-ubuntu-and-a-few-more-things. Thanks.


  • Banned

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @FATeknollogee said:

    How is @jospoortvliet related to OC?

    He is an engineer with the development team, I believe. He's definitely on staff there.

    Or was..


  • Service Provider

    @Jason said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @FATeknollogee said:

    How is @jospoortvliet related to OC?

    He is an engineer with the development team, I believe. He's definitely on staff there.

    Or was..

    I'm sure he's just having a "feeling sheepish" day. It was likely an honest fight or flight response that most people have. As an engineer I doubt that he's had training on controlling and identifying those responses like you would hope sales and marketing people would have. I've worked in environments where they test your FoF response daily and try to get you to panic. It's called an amygdala (aka lizard brain) response. If you aren't trained to recognize it, you'll easily have devolving logical discussions without knowing you are losing the sense of it. Not that it never happens to me, but I've had training on it in some crazily intense environments. Specific training where I had to take a year of classes, that sort of thing.

    I doubt he's in any trouble. But probably avoiding us today 🙂



  • @scottalanmiller In terms of installing OwnCloud, would you recommend waiting until aforementioned fixes have been applied?



  • @wrx7m said:

    @scottalanmiller In terms of installing OwnCloud, would you recommend waiting until aforementioned fixes have been applied?

    I have had issues with 9.0 on both Ubuntu and CentOS. I am going to wait for some bugs to be ironed out.



  • @IRJ said:

    @wrx7m said:

    @scottalanmiller In terms of installing OwnCloud, would you recommend waiting until aforementioned fixes have been applied?

    I have had issues with 9.0 on both Ubuntu and CentOS. I am going to wait for some bugs to be ironed out.

    What issues have you had?



  • @coliver said:

    @IRJ said:

    @wrx7m said:

    @scottalanmiller In terms of installing OwnCloud, would you recommend waiting until aforementioned fixes have been applied?

    I have had issues with 9.0 on both Ubuntu and CentOS. I am going to wait for some bugs to be ironed out.

    What issues have you had?

    The installer not working right. I've wiped the VM 3 times now.



  • @IRJ said:

    @coliver said:

    @IRJ said:

    @wrx7m said:

    @scottalanmiller In terms of installing OwnCloud, would you recommend waiting until aforementioned fixes have been applied?

    I have had issues with 9.0 on both Ubuntu and CentOS. I am going to wait for some bugs to be ironed out.

    What issues have you had?

    The installer not working right. I've wiped the VM 3 times now.

    Ouch :(. That's interesting.


  • Service Provider

    They have at least updated the PHP warning to something intelligent.

    0_1462658661057_upload-6b1aaea2-0b02-41b5-b213-ea8559343040

    But the rest of the issues supposedly addressed after this thread was created are still not resolved. This is from a fully patched and updated 9.0.2 install.

    0_1462658728895_upload-f20d93d3-b3ed-4c5b-ad2b-285efad4214e