OneDrive Sync Mechanics
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
I am questioning when I save awesomesoccerphoto1,jpg, and then wife says "oh no this is the right awesomesoccerphoto1.jpg, so I overwrite it. Then says "oh not the other one was right". If I have it local, I go to BackBlaze and I'm saved. I have one copy in OneDrive ... what happens then? I tell you what. Mass anger.
Not necessarily, part of the issue here is dealing with pictures as files. As I've said in other conversations (probably with @Dashrender ) that dealing with files themselves is a bit of a computer fail. Not that we don't all do it, but it means that our software isn't delivering on the dream. Instead of having pictures as individual files, why not save them in an image database (I do this online with Flickr, can't overwrite with that) that is then saved to OneDrive? Then you get versioning and control in there before it gets backed up?
Or, simply, OD is not a viable solution for you because, as you pointed out, it lacks the versioning that other solutions, like ownCloud, have.
How do you backup flicker with One Drive?
And that conversation wasn't with me, but sounds interesting. save pictures into a DB - hmm..
Here is one example of a tool for that.
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And another one on CodePlex...
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@BRRABill said:
You want me to trust MULTIPLE ONLINE SERVICES WITH BACKUP??????????
X for photos
Y for videos
Z for documentsChoose the best tool for each task that suits your needs. Where is the confusion?
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@scottalanmiller said:
And another one on CodePlex...
But these tools are just downloading the photos, not the DB.
I suppose for backup purposes that's OK, I guess I was thinking you had some way to download the DB for backup.
But then, even if you could download the flickr DB, how would you use it without Flickr's systems?Also, is the expectation then that someone is uploading their photos directly to flickr from their device? If so, why not just upload to 2+ online systems at the same time, and skip the upload/download/upload?
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@Dashrender said:
But these tools are just downloading the photos, not the DB.
Correct, as I said above, you don't really version photos.
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@Dashrender said:
Also, is the expectation then that someone is uploading their photos directly to flickr from their device? If so, why not just upload to 2+ online systems at the same time, and skip the upload/download/upload?
Because I know of no one that would upload automatically, I know of no service that allows going to multiple places at once and that would require a lot more work. I think a single source and good backups work pretty effectively for images.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Also, is the expectation then that someone is uploading their photos directly to flickr from their device? If so, why not just upload to 2+ online systems at the same time, and skip the upload/download/upload?
Because I know of no one that would upload automatically, I know of no service that allows going to multiple places at once and that would require a lot more work. I think a single source and good backups work pretty effectively for images.
Your iPhone won't push pictures to both flickr and One Drive ? Huh - Pretty sure my Windows Phone will. I'm pretty sure Android would as well.
As for the desktop apps - having two apps sync the same folders to their cloud services should be possible.
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@Dashrender said:
Your iPhone won't push pictures to both flickr and One Drive ? Huh - Pretty sure my Windows Phone will. I'm pretty sure Android would as well.
Maybe it will, I never try. I don't want anything pushed automatically so not something that I investigate.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Your iPhone won't push pictures to both flickr and One Drive ? Huh - Pretty sure my Windows Phone will. I'm pretty sure Android would as well.
Maybe it will, I never try. I don't want anything pushed automatically so not something that I investigate.
Do you transfer all photos to your PC, and then backup from there?
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@scottalanmiller -- Haven't you been having data issues with Microsoft for a while? It's not that I don't trust my cloud providers... As much as I simply don't know what they are doing to back up my data. That alone concerns me.
If I had TBs of data in OneDrive, I'd expect Microsoft to be able to put back a single file, or my entire storage if they whoopsied my folders. I don't know how they are able to accomplish this, so I feel less safe with my data in OneDrive or Amazon Cloud than I do using a service like Crashplan or Backblaze.
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@Dashrender said:
Do you transfer all photos to your PC, and then backup from there?
No, nothing goes to my PC.
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You can do both OneDrive and Flicker from your phone it is great.
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller -- Haven't you been having data issues with Microsoft for a while? It's not that I don't trust my cloud providers... As much as I simply don't know what they are doing to back up my data. That alone concerns me.
Yes, but not involving the backups.
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@dafyre said:
If I had TBs of data in OneDrive, I'd expect Microsoft to be able to put back a single file, or my entire storage if they whoopsied my folders.
they would never put back a file. It would always be a restore of the whole thing.
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller -- Haven't you been having data issues with Microsoft for a while? It's not that I don't trust my cloud providers... As much as I simply don't know what they are doing to back up my data. That alone concerns me.
If I had TBs of data in OneDrive, I'd expect Microsoft to be able to put back a single file, or my entire storage if they whoopsied my folders. I don't know how they are able to accomplish this, so I feel less safe with my data in OneDrive or Amazon Cloud than I do using a service like Crashplan or Backblaze.
Those other services are geared toward exactly what you want - individual file restore, One Drive is not. Those other services are also a lot more money too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Do you transfer all photos to your PC, and then backup from there?
No, nothing goes to my PC.
So you backup manually only when on WiFi - what to save on data charges? Can't those apps be setup to only backup while on on WiFi? Sounding like a broken record, but I'm pretty sure both Android and WP can do that.
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@Dashrender said:
@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller -- Haven't you been having data issues with Microsoft for a while? It's not that I don't trust my cloud providers... As much as I simply don't know what they are doing to back up my data. That alone concerns me.
If I had TBs of data in OneDrive, I'd expect Microsoft to be able to put back a single file, or my entire storage if they whoopsied my folders. I don't know how they are able to accomplish this, so I feel less safe with my data in OneDrive or Amazon Cloud than I do using a service like Crashplan or Backblaze.
Those other services are geared toward exactly what you want - individual file restore, One Drive is not. Those other services are also a lot more money too.
While it is true that OneDrive is a different animal that Crashplan, at least with Crashplan, I know my data is stored in two additional paces. If I use OneDrive and only OneDrive, I'd be concerned about backups and such... So I'd still need another service to back up my OneDrive...because: Paranoid.
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@Dashrender said:
So you backup manually only when on WiFi - what to save on data charges? Can't those apps be setup to only backup while on on WiFi? Sounding like a broken record, but I'm pretty sure both Android and WP can do that.
I don't backup my phone at all, it is a phone, not a primary storage device.
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@dafyre said:
If I use OneDrive and only OneDrive, I'd be concerned about backups and such... So I'd still need another service to back up my OneDrive...because: Paranoid.
This is the "I don't trust the IT department" thing that I was saying above. Don't use any product if you distrust the vendor to this degree. If you think that they would not take backups, you also can't trust them not to steal your data. This concern, to me, should also eliminate Windows as a viable platform for you across the board. This is a level of trust that I feel you need from your OS vendor.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
So you backup manually only when on WiFi - what to save on data charges? Can't those apps be setup to only backup while on on WiFi? Sounding like a broken record, but I'm pretty sure both Android and WP can do that.
I don't backup my phone at all, it is a phone, not a primary storage device.
So you don't use it to take pictures?
