Pertino - Is Anyone Successfully Using Any Version Above 510 with DNS/AD Connect?



  • @FATeknollogee said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    Or not use AD. Always an option.

    Not when you need the app & AD is the only option to authenticate!

    What app requires AD for all authentication?



  • @FATeknollogee For us though, ZT always tends to focus on the future. We don't work too hard to support things that are too legacy, at least right now, because we are a very lean little startup. If we had more resources we might if there were a demonstrated market.



  • @FATeknollogee said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    Or not use AD. Always an option.

    Not when you need the app & AD is the only option to authenticate!

    huh - have you asked that vendor if they are developing to be able to use Azure AD as well as legacy AD?



  • @Dashrender said:

    @FATeknollogee said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    Or not use AD. Always an option.

    Not when you need the app & AD is the only option to authenticate!

    huh - have you asked that vendor if they are developing to be able to use Azure AD as well as legacy AD?

    Or just, you know, local authentication!



  • @adam.ierymenko said:

    @FATeknollogee For us though, ZT always tends to focus on the future. We don't work too hard to support things that are too legacy, at least right now, because we are a very lean little startup. If we had more resources we might if there were a demonstrated market.

    Believe me, I love ZT. Getting ready to spend the $4/mo on a couple of networks 😃



  • @Dashrender said:

    huh - have you asked that vendor if they are developing to be able to use Azure AD as well as legacy AD?

    Not lately, thx for reminding me. Let me check!



  • @Dashrender

    @Dashrender said:

    @FATeknollogee said:

    @Dashrender said:

    Oh i agree - and I'm trying to do the same, and I've already one it for one client.

    Same question for you @Dashrender What is your "AD"?

    Personally I have a Windows 2012R2 onsite AD system. VM's of course.

    Same here.



  • @hubtechagain said:

    yeah, i've never not had issues with it. for atleast a year or so now.

    Bummer. I kept seeing everyone in SW always say how great it was and easy it is, blah blah blah. I am starting to think the greatness aspect is a thing of the past. If I can't get this thing dialed in by the end of next week, then I am just going to ask for a refund and look into another way to provide VPN services. Kinda bummed about this.



  • @wrx7m said:

    @hubtechagain said:

    yeah, i've never not had issues with it. for atleast a year or so now.

    Bummer. I kept seeing everyone in SW always say how great it was and easy it is, blah blah blah. I am starting to think the greatness aspect is a thing of the past. If I can't get this thing dialed in by the end of next week, then I am just going to ask for a refund and look into another way to provide VPN services. Kinda bummed about this.

    Do you have it deployed to everything in the environment? One thing Scott told me a while ago was that something like Pertino is not meant to be on just a device here or there - it's meant to be on all device everywhere.



  • Sounds like he's having issues with versions after 510. We stopped using VPN before that, so haven't seen those issues.



  • @Dashrender said:

    @wrx7m said:

    @hubtechagain said:

    yeah, i've never not had issues with it. for atleast a year or so now.

    Bummer. I kept seeing everyone in SW always say how great it was and easy it is, blah blah blah. I am starting to think the greatness aspect is a thing of the past. If I can't get this thing dialed in by the end of next week, then I am just going to ask for a refund and look into another way to provide VPN services. Kinda bummed about this.

    Do you have it deployed to everything in the environment? One thing Scott told me a while ago was that something like Pertino is not meant to be on just a device here or there - it's meant to be on all device everywhere.

    Sames goes for ZeroTier as well, just in case you were checking that one out.



  • @Dashrender I am attempting to use it for remote devices only and use their gateway feature to allow access to certain servers from those remote locations. You only have to install the client on DNS/DC servers and those clients that you want to provide access to. For the gateway, it needs to be ubuntu or centos. Pertino, in intent, is perfect for what I am trying to do. In practice it doesn't seem to do much of anything correctly.



  • @dafyre Yeah, I am aware of that, as well. Thanks.



  • @wrx7m said:

    @Dashrender I am attempting to use it for remote devices only and use their gateway feature to allow access to certain servers from those remote locations. You only have to install the client on DNS/DC servers and those clients that you want to provide access to. For the gateway, it needs to be ubuntu or centos. Pertino, in intent, is perfect for what I am trying to do. In practice it doesn't seem to do much of anything correctly.

    The gateway is likely part of the issue. It adds a tremendous amount of complication and isn't something that any of us have tested. So there is a chance that that is where the issues come from. In a pure mesh mode as it was always used in the past, it was solid.



  • @scottalanmiller Yeah. If I have 510 on my DCs, DNS works fine for my entire network. Later builds have really screwed me. And the gateway has never worked.



  • Are you paying for the AD add-on?



  • @Dashrender said:

    Are you paying for the AD add-on?

    According to the title of the thread 🙂



  • @scottalanmiller I haven't every gotten the gateway to work at all and I am almost positive that there are 2 unrelated issues I am experiencing. The 1st problem is that the pertino client (build 520+) actually prevents my DNS servers from dynamically updating host records so when a desktop on my LAN that has nothing to do with Pertino gets a new IP from my local DHCP server or is assigned a static one, DNS never updates the host record. When installing 510 or uninstalling pertino completely, it updates it immediately.

    The second issue is with the gateway and how it does not allow traffic to flow through it. Traffic goes there to die.



  • @Dashrender Yes, I have Enterprise 100, which is the highest tier and includes everything. As indicated, Pertino/Cradlepoint support is baffled by the problems.



  • So if I have to dump pertino, what would you guys use in terms of a more traditional VPN? I really liked the automatic connection/running as a service aspect. Do other VPNs have this?



  • Zero Tier....

    Zero Tier....

    Zero Tier....

    Did I mention Zero Tier?





  • @Breffni-Potter Thanks, I use ZT for a homelab but don't think it is quite what I want for the company.



  • @wrx7m said:

    @Breffni-Potter Thanks, I use ZT for a homelab but don't think it is quite what I want for the company.

    No problem, can you share your thoughts as to why?



  • In my limited experience with it, I can't seem to figure out DNS with it. Also, I am not sure that the bridging works the way I need for it to act as a gateway.



  • On the one hand, Pertino is something very expensive that you've paid for.

    On the other, Zero Tier let's you do it for free, or at a much lower cost.

    I think you might want to give it another evaluation. It is designed to work differently so some things won't be "click click" as in Pertino. But it also means they should work far more reliably.



  • @wrx7m said:

    In my limited experience with it, I can't seem to figure out DNS with it. Also, I am not sure that the bridging works the way I need for it to act as a gateway.

    I've not used it excessively, but where are you running into DNS issues? Are you putting ZT everywhere, what DNS are you using? Knowing how ZT and DNS works, I'm surprised that there is a hiccup.



  • Plus, for the cost saving of not using Pertino, why not bring in someone else to help set Zero Tier up and support it for you?



  • I ran into problems with ZT and DNS as well - but I didn't deploy ZT everywhere - nor did I want to.

    I'm guessing that If I did deploy ZT on every device I could that my problems would have been little to none, because DNS would register both the NIC IP and the ZT IP and in general I wouldn't matter which it was using when 99% of things are on the local network.



  • What are you using gateway appliances to supply connectivity to?