10 Things I Hate about End Users
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@Nic said:
My frustration is with people who lack critical thinking skills. They can't reason, or put 2 and 2 together. They have to be shown everything in excruciating detail, often more than once.
The vapid vacant expression is my sign to de-arse the area.
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@wirestyle22 said:
To be honest I need to educate myself more. Once I feel more secure in my knowledge I'll start applying. I came very close to working for ABC which is owned by Disney but they wanted a Unix guru and my Unix knowledge is basically non-existent. I was honest in my interview. The guy they ended up hiring lied in his interview and they found out pretty quick. Unfortunate because I know I can learn anything.
Disney is famous for being low on the tech totem pole. Likely their idea of guru is very, very different than from most of the industry. They are normally decades behind everyone else.
That they hired people lying in an interview indicates that they don't know how to interview - which indicates that they are not hiring good people as good people will turn them down and bad ones will lie and... well there you go.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
To be honest I need to educate myself more. Once I feel more secure in my knowledge I'll start applying. I came very close to working for ABC which is owned by Disney but they wanted a Unix guru and my Unix knowledge is basically non-existent. I was honest in my interview. The guy they ended up hiring lied in his interview and they found out pretty quick. Unfortunate because I know I can learn anything.
Disney is famous for being low on the tech totem pole. Likely their idea of guru is very, very different than from most of the industry. They are normally decades behind everyone else.
That they hired people lying in an interview indicates that they don't know how to interview - which indicates that they are not hiring good people as good people will turn them down and bad ones will lie and... well there you go.
My friend does master control for Kelly and Michael (he won an Emmy actually) so I know the social landscape. It would be leaps and bounds better than here and I would be paid double what I make right now. The only real downside is the commute.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
My friend does master control for Kelly and Michael (he won an Emmy actually)
I take it that is a television show?
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@wirestyle22 said:
The only real downside is the commute.
And the weird cult / slave culture. But beyond that
They are definitely bad enough that their reputation makes a lot of people unwilling to even have a conversation with them. They've built a culture of keeping a large portion of the market from being willing to consider them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
The only real downside is the commute.
And the weird cult / slave culture. But beyond that
They are definitely bad enough that their reputation makes a lot of people unwilling to even have a conversation with them. They've built a culture of keeping a large portion of the market from being willing to consider them.
Interesting. I guess I dodged a bullet. My friend did lose his hair at this job lol.
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@wirestyle22 said:
Interesting. I guess I dodged a bullet. My friend did lose his hair at this job lol.
Well it sounds like where you ended up was pretty crappy, too. So hard to say
But Disney has rather a strong reputation and I've known people who have worked there in more low end roles and Disney certainly doesn't get a chance to interview anyone that I know. So Disney may not even know what a good hiring process looks like as they tend to get overwhelmed with literal fan boys and girls and industry heavyweights keep their distance. So they feel like they have tons of potential hires, but they lack the ability to attract the ones that they should want. -
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
Interesting. I guess I dodged a bullet. My friend did lose his hair at this job lol.
Well it sounds like where you ended up was pretty crappy, too. So hard to say
But Disney has rather a strong reputation and I've known people who have worked there in more low end roles and Disney certainly doesn't get a chance to interview anyone that I know. So Disney may not even know what a good hiring process looks like as they tend to get overwhelmed with literal fan boys and girls and industry heavyweights keep their distance. So they feel like they have tons of potential hires, but they lack the ability to attract the ones that they should want.My sister works for Disney... I would say this is completely accurate judging from her experience. Granted she is on low-end customer service but the fanboy-ism/cult of the mouse thing is strong in everyone you talk to.
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@coliver said:
My sister works for Disney... I would say this is completely accurate judging from her experience. Granted she is on low-end customer service but the fanboy-ism/cult of the mouse thing is strong in everyone you talk to.
I had many friends who took jobs with them (direct, not a division like ABC) and their description of it was pure hell, and yet they all loved it and would work nowhere else. Which is fine, to each their own.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
My sister works for Disney... I would say this is completely accurate judging from her experience. Granted she is on low-end customer service but the fanboy-ism/cult of the mouse thing is strong in everyone you talk to.
I had many friends who took jobs with them (direct, not a division like ABC) and their description of it was pure hell, and yet they all loved it and would work nowhere else. Which is fine, to each their own.
The conditions seem to have improved. She works in Disney World, she doesn't work 90 hours a week (like one of her friends said they did five years ago) and she has overtime limits. She also gets paid a decent wage and has options for health benefits.
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@coliver said:
The conditions seem to have improved. She works in Disney World, she doesn't work 90 hours a week (like one of her friends said they did five years ago) and she has overtime limits. She also gets paid a decent wage and has options for health benefits.
That's definitely better than I heard that it was there. I believe "opium den slash brothel" was the description of the working conditions there before.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
The conditions seem to have improved. She works in Disney World, she doesn't work 90 hours a week (like one of her friends said they did five years ago) and she has overtime limits. She also gets paid a decent wage and has options for health benefits.
That's definitely better than I heard that it was there. I believe "opium den slash brothel" was the description of the working conditions there before.
Haha. That doesn't surprise me. Some of the stories she is told (and then relays to us) seems to indicate something along those lines.
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I'm probably going to go for state jobs. I'm paid in bread and water currently so it's a big step up for me and a pretty secure job from what I'm told. I also miss working on a team.
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@wirestyle22 said:
I'm probably going to go for state jobs. I'm paid in bread and water currently so it's a big step up for me and a pretty secure job from what I'm told. I also miss working on a team.
I speak from current experience on this. If you enjoy working in several areas of IT, you may want to avoid state jobs. I have a decent bit of experience across a several IT disciplines, and at my current job, I am starting to feel like I am stagnating because I only deal with server stuff. I know the networking stuff, but only the networking team gets to do the networking stuff.
I don't mind it too much, in some regards though, because I am not in a position that requires me to be available after hours too often.
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@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
I'm probably going to go for state jobs. I'm paid in bread and water currently so it's a big step up for me and a pretty secure job from what I'm told. I also miss working on a team.
I speak from current experience on this. If you enjoy working in several areas of IT, you may want to avoid state jobs. I have a decent bit of experience across a several IT disciplines, and at my current job, I am starting to feel like I am stagnating because I only deal with server stuff. I know the networking stuff, but only the networking team gets to do the networking stuff.
I don't mind it too much, in some regards though, because I am not in a position that requires me to be available after hours too often.
I'm okay with specializing. I play around at home with a variety of scenarios etc for fun. The issue is most of the state jobs are very specific in nature so I would have to educate myself for the job which sounds....rough? Another part of it is I'm starting a family with my fiance` within the next few years. I am now very motivated to make more money as babies are a money vacuum.
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@wirestyle22 said:
I'm probably going to go for state jobs. I'm paid in bread and water currently so it's a big step up for me and a pretty secure job from what I'm told. I also miss working on a team.
My take on that is, as a general thing...
The more secure a "job" is, the less secure the "career" is.
