windows server 2008 R2 SP1 license (physical VS virtual)



  • Hi everybody,

    i want to know is there any difference btw the price of the license for physical machine or virtual machine, we have 2 physical server DELL Poweredge T310, i want to take one of them and host in it 2 VM, so now i'm wondering if the license for a VM is cheaper than the one for physical machine

    thanks



  • for the edition we want entreprise



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    for the edition we want entreprise

    With the Enterprise edition you get the following.

    Enterprise Edition - One physical instance and four virtual guest instances running at same time



  • If you have a Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise license already, you can run 4 VMs with it.



  • actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??



  • Server 2012 R2 Standard will allow you to deploy two VMs on top of your hardware. Providing you aren't using the host for any tasks except Hyper-V.

    This also applies to any hypervisor be in Xen, ESXi, Hyper-V, etc.



  • @IT-ADMIN Are you looking at VL? IF so you cant buy 2008 anymore. You will have to buy 2012R2 which will give you 2vms for the host the license is applied to. You can use 2008 for both of those VMs if you want with a VL's downgrade rights.



  • @coliver said:

    Server 2012 R2 Standard will allow you to deploy two VMs on top of your hardware. Providing you aren't using the host for any tasks except Hyper-V.

    This also applies to any hypervisor be in Xen, ESXi, Hyper-V, etc.

    You can word this in an easier way.... you can use two VMs on top of any hypervisor solution. Two get to be used, no matter how they are labelled or deployed.



  • if we buy server 2012 R2 standard, can we install on it SQL Server 2000 ?? because we have an application that is not compatible with SQL server above than 2000 ??



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    SQL Server 2000

    This is not my realm but this should answer your questions
    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa175274(v=sql.80).aspx

    Answer is "maybe" to "no". Some services that SQL server 2k utilize may not be available in 2008-2012.

    EDIT: wrong link. 😛



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??

    Why would you buy old versions? Buy current. Don't invest in technical debt.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??

    Why would you buy old versions? Buy current. Don't invest in technical debt.

    My guess would be budget or CALs.
    Otherwise 2012 R2 with SA (software assurance) is the way to go.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??

    Why would you buy old versions? Buy current. Don't invest in technical debt.

    compatibility issue as i said before, i have an application that is using SQL SERVER 2000, does 2012 R2 support SQL 2000??



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??

    Why would you buy old versions? Buy current. Don't invest in technical debt.

    compatibility issue as i said before, i have an application that is using SQL SERVER 2000, does 2012 R2 support SQL 2000??

    We already know the the place where @IT-ADMIN is does not actually care about licensing.

    That said, to answer the question. If you actually purchase a standard Server 2012 R2 license via the Microsoft Volume Licensing program, you are given the right (called downgrade rights) to install Server 2008 R2 or Server 2012 instead of Server 2012 R2. Possibly Server 2008, but I have never checked that.



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    actually i do not have any license, i'm planning to buy one, and i want to deploy it in 2 VM, what is the best option??

    Why would you buy old versions? Buy current. Don't invest in technical debt.

    compatibility issue as i said before, i have an application that is using SQL SERVER 2000, does 2012 R2 support SQL 2000??

    But you BUY current and deploy old. I'm not questioning why you are deploying old licenses, I'm questioning why you are buying old ones.



  • @LAH3385 said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    SQL Server 2000

    This is not my realm but this should answer your questions
    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa175274(v=sql.80).aspx

    Answer is "maybe" to "no". Some services that SQL server 2k utilize may not be available in 2008-2012.

    EDIT: wrong link. 😛

    thanks for the link, but i think it is not accurate because they didn't mention server 2008 as compatible OS whereas i'm using it



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    thanks for the link, but i think it is not accurate because they didn't mention server 2008 as compatible OS whereas i'm using it

    That you are using it does not imply that it is fully compatible or supported.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    thanks for the link, but i think it is not accurate because they didn't mention server 2008 as compatible OS whereas i'm using it

    That you are using it does not imply that it is fully compatible or supported.

    i see your point



  • Will likely work, there might be bits that don't that you have not tested or tried. Or it might be unreliable. Hard to say. Might be fine and just not supported or tested.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    We already know the the place where @IT-ADMIN is does not actually care about licensing.

    finally after i show the advantage of virtualization to the management especially after that hardware issue i had few days ago, i finally convince them to buy 2 windows server licenses because i told them that for this project to be successful it is a must we have windows server licences and they agreed



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    We already know the the place where @IT-ADMIN is does not actually care about licensing.

    finally after i show the advantage of virtualization to the management especially after that hardware issue i had few days ago, i finally convince them to buy 2 windows server licenses because i told them that for this project to be successful it is a must we have windows server licences and they agreed

    That's great! Major progress in what was actually a pretty short time period (as these things go.)



  • Are you getting to virtualize now, too? Or just properly licensed Windows?



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    i want to know is there any difference btw the price of the license for physical machine or virtual machine, we have 2 physical server DELL Poweredge T310, i want to take one of them and host in it 2 VM, so now i'm wondering if the license for a VM is cheaper than the one for physical machine

    He mentioned in OP that he wants to go VM.



  • @LAH3385 said:

    @IT-ADMIN said:

    i want to know is there any difference btw the price of the license for physical machine or virtual machine, we have 2 physical server DELL Poweredge T310, i want to take one of them and host in it 2 VM, so now i'm wondering if the license for a VM is cheaper than the one for physical machine

    He mentioned in OP that he wants to go VM.

    Oh good. LOTS of progress.



  • when we had that hardware failure we experienced one day and a half of downtime, i explained to the management if we had virtualization in place we would not have this difficult time, instead we will export the VM to another hipervisor without any issue, and they were pleased with the idea 🙂



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    when we had that hardware failure we experienced one day and a half of downtime, i explained to the management if we had virtualization in place we would not have this difficult time, instead we will export the VM to another hipervisor without any issue, and they were pleased with the idea 🙂

    Good job. Presenting a clear business need, not a technical one, is one of the most important IT skills. As you do this, you will both get better at presenting the business case and the management will get used to you advising them on business needs and trust your decision making more and more.



  • yes and they are willing to offer a budget for this



  • @IT-ADMIN

    LOL!!! You are in exact same boat as me! But it took me 2 whole months to persuade them to go VMs. Nice job on that!.
    There's a lot of thread on how to go visualization and different between each hypervisor.

    As SAM has mentioned before in other thread Do you homework before purchasing hardware! Don't make the same mistake I did.



  • the budget will be for : 2 windows server license (2 VM) + 16 TB NAS



  • @IT-ADMIN said:

    the budget will be for : 2 windows server license (2 VM) + 16 TB NAS

    Two only because you want old versions?


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