P2V from Lenovo Laptop to Recover PST
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@scottalanmiller said:
This has nothing whatsoever to do with getting data back. That they already have. It is a combination of going to a store that is refusing to do the recovery and trying to do everything except just recover the files that is the issue. Any discussion of this being about recovering data is misdirection. This is about attempting to misuse a license and nothing more.
I don't mean in the Staples scenario. I mean in general, what @MattSpeller said about how MS is screwing the customer.
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@BRRABill said:
Data recovery should not be tied to licensing. You should be allowed to get your data back by ANY means possible.
That's ....
- Not in any way related to what is being discussed here and is just misdirection to make it sound plausible that somehow this is MS' fault when it is not in the least.
- No different than if this happened on an Apple device - can't make a VM of that either.
- It is totally unreasonable to assume that people should have the "right" to violate licensing that they agreed to whenever they feel like it.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
This has nothing whatsoever to do with getting data back. That they already have. It is a combination of going to a store that is refusing to do the recovery and trying to do everything except just recover the files that is the issue. Any discussion of this being about recovering data is misdirection. This is about attempting to misuse a license and nothing more.
I don't mean in the Staples scenario. I mean in general, what @MattSpeller said about how MS is screwing the customer.
But they are NOT screwing anyone.
- This has nothing to do with data recovery. That's simple and provided for.
- The licensing limitations are ones that the customer opted to take in exchange for saving money up front.
If you buy a car and they offer you a discount to not get a spare tire, do you rant later that "every car should have a spare tire" when the time comes and you need one. And then demand that the car company should provide it to you on the spot even though you specifically opted to save money by not paying for one?
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@scottalanmiller said:
- No different than if this happened on an Apple device - can't make a VM of that either.
If my iPhone/iPad dies ... I get a new one, and restore from the included backup, and within minutes I am back up and running as I was before.
If I can do that with a MS desktop device, than that would be apples to apples.
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@BRRABill said:
DOCTOR: We could have saved him, if only we hadn't (unknowingly) given up our rights.
Are you saying that doctors don't let people die when they've signed a "DNR" order? Because that is exactly what this is like. The "patient" here gave up the specific VM and movable license rights here by choice, up front. They had NO requirement to use Windows nor to use OEM licensing. They opted to. Now you feel that MS should have no rights to their own code and that people should be allowed to override what they've paid for because it "seems reasonable" now that the situation they decided not to allow has arrived. Where does this end?
Why don't we just say "Windows should be free" and seize the company with Federal agents and make all Microsoft products the property of "the state" - because that's what I am hearing. That we don't feel that MS should have the right to license their product and the people who optionally decide to use it should not be held to their contracts that they agreed to in exchange for getting to use the product.
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And yet another thread showing why Chromebooks and Linux make sense for average home users.
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@BRRABill said:
If my iPhone/iPad dies ... I get a new one, and restore from the included backup, and within minutes I am back up and running as I was before.
You can only do that if you took a backup.
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@BRRABill said:
If I can do that with a MS desktop device, than that would be apples to apples.
OF COURSE YOU CAN!!!!
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@scottalanmiller said:
If you buy a car and they offer you a discount to not get a spare tire, do you rant later that "every car should have a spare tire" when the time comes and you need one. And then demand that the car company should provide it to you on the spot even though you specifically opted to save money by not paying for one?
If MS said ... BTW, if this thing dies, you cannot use any methods to get your data back unless you only need the files. If you, for some reason, needed to boot to a virtual copy of this (which is very easy to do, dear customer) you are out of luck unless you pay XYZ. Then I would be OK with it.
People would know, they would probably never do it, and be left with their decisions.
Considering how many people HERE are discussing illegal recovery scenarios ... how can the general public even be thought of to know?
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@johnhooks said:
And yet another thread showing why Chromebooks and Linux make sense for average home users.
I, from this discussion, that it should be illegal for end users to license software.
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@johnhooks said:
And yet another thread showing why Chromebooks and Linux make sense for average home users.
LOL.
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@BRRABill said:
If MS said ... BTW, if this thing dies, you cannot use any methods to get your data back unless you only need the files. If you, for some reason, needed to boot to a virtual copy of this (which is very easy to do, dear customer) you are out of luck unless you pay XYZ. Then I would be OK with it.
You never need to boot. Never. That's physically impossible. That's not a viable scenario.
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Alright, we're off topic here. And there's no need to keep discussing this.
We will just agree to disagree. And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You never need to boot. Never. That's physically impossible. That's not a viable scenario.
Isn't that what this whole thread was about? Just getting the file wasn't enough? They needed the program?
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@BRRABill said:
Considering how many people HERE are discussing illegal recovery scenarios ... how can the general public even be thought of to know?
We are NOT discussing recovery scenarios in order to recover his files. We are discussing nothing except for working around Staples policy.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You never need to boot. Never. That's physically impossible. That's not a viable scenario.
Isn't that what this whole thread was about? Just getting the file wasn't enough? They needed the program?
Not, this thread is about someone trying to violate Staple's policy. If the goal was recovery we would have been done in minutes as I've pointed out over and over again. None of this is a limitation on recovery.
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I've put a moratorium on myself about discussing this topic for the rest of 2015.
Though I am sure I will have broken my own moratorium by EOD.
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@BRRABill said:
We will just agree to disagree.
That's a very bad idea because it will just come up over and over again. We need to understand each other's positions.
Mine is that the law and contracts are important and that people should not be given a free pass to break the law and that business contracts should not be "wrong" for one party having not paid for what they need.
I believe that the majority opinions is that "big companies are wrong and consumers should be allowed to do anything that they want even if they agreed not to."
If that isn't what you feel, what is the counter argument here because that's all that's being discussed. He has his data, no problem there. This is about wanting to move his OEM to another piece of hardware "just because" or to go to VDI "just because." NOT about data recovery.
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@BRRABill said:
And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
I have no issues with this statement. I'm sorry to have driven this topic off point.
