LibreOffice Online
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@Dashrender said:
Wow that would be a nightmare to manage. Would you install Office on every machine in advance? What I'm not sure of is how Office from O365 handles shared machines.
Let's assuming I have 5 workstations and 4 workers and a supervisor. All 5 people can sit anywhere they want, and it's common for them to just randomly sit anywhere within these 5 computers.
Let's assume only the supervisor needs locally installed Office, so this means that Office needs to be installed on all 5 computers.
How is the licensing verified? I know that Office from O365 requires that an O365 user log into it to verify that said user has the correct type of license to allow them to use locally install Office.
Is that login to Office only tied to that user profile?
How about this for a curveball, what if they all use the same profile because they use all web based or otherwise authenticated access and there's no reason to create local individual profiles?
All very good questions.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Someone asked me this last night because they wanted to cheat.
Small company of 5 people, 5 computers. The question was asked - can they purchase one license of O365 that includes the local install of Office and install that single license on all 5 computer for all 5 users to use. Then have the company buy 4 Exchange only licenses for the other employees?
I said no, that the local install by license is limited to only the user that license is assigned to.
How would that ever be legal?
As I described, it's not legal.
Or do the business versions of O365 allow installation on 5 machines? (I think I read that in another thread.) Obviously for each USER, though, not like the home edition where 5 individual users can use the same account.
O365 local install allows for each user to install Office on up to 5 computers (laptops, Windows tablets, desktops, etc) AND 5 mobile devices (iPad, Android tablet, iPhone, Android phone, etc)
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Well.... that's a weird thing to ask, really. Sure you can move them around, but why? What's your goal here?
I was thinking in a scenario where only certain people needed (or sometime needed to use) Office at certain times, you could just assign the license to them on an as needed basis. It would get too complicated to manage large scale, obviously. But perhaps one Client required it, and every person who was assigned to work with that client would get an Office license while they were working with them.
Like having a computer in the common area that had Office on it, but in the cloud world.
Yeah, probably too much to even think of thinking about.
Wow that would be a nightmare to manage. Would you install Office on every machine in advance? What I'm not sure of is how Office from O365 handles shared machines.
Let's assuming I have 5 workstations and 4 workers and a supervisor. All 5 people can sit anywhere they want, and it's common for them to just randomly sit anywhere within these 5 computers.
Let's assume only the supervisor needs locally installed Office, so this means that Office needs to be installed on all 5 computers.
How is the licensing verified? I know that Office from O365 requires that an O365 user log into it to verify that said user has the correct type of license to allow them to use locally install Office.
Is that login to Office only tied to that user profile?
How about this for a curveball, what if they all use the same profile because they use all web based or otherwise authenticated access and there's no reason to create local individual profiles?
@Minion-Queen @scottalanmiller Any NTG experts here who can weigh in on this?
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@Dashrender said:
O365 local install allows for each user to install Office on up to 5 computers (laptops, Windows tablets, desktops, etc) AND 5 mobile devices (iPad, Android tablet, iPhone, Android phone, etc)
Including at home?
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
O365 local install allows for each user to install Office on up to 5 computers (laptops, Windows tablets, desktops, etc) AND 5 mobile devices (iPad, Android tablet, iPhone, Android phone, etc)
Including at home?
Yes. Assuming your employer only needs Office installed on one of their computers for your use, you can install it on 4 others and use it as long as they pay for the license.
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@Dashrender said:
Yes. Assuming your employer only needs Office installed on one of their computers for your use, you can install it on 4 others and use it as long as they pay for the license.
And assuming they use their work logon to activate it.
The whole MS Account thing can get confusing.
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
O365 local install allows for each user to install Office on up to 5 computers (laptops, Windows tablets, desktops, etc) AND 5 mobile devices (iPad, Android tablet, iPhone, Android phone, etc)
Including at home?
Yes. Assuming your employer only needs Office installed on one of their computers for your use, you can install it on 4 others and use it as long as they pay for the license.
But this brings up another question.
Let's modify my above example, 5 computer, 5 users, all share all 5 desks. Would this situation chew up all 5 of each person's licenses?
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Yes. Assuming your employer only needs Office installed on one of their computers for your use, you can install it on 4 others and use it as long as they pay for the license.
And assuming they use their work logon to activate it.
The whole MS Account thing can get confusing.
Well of course.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
They are tied to the user. They can only be used by the three employees who I purchase the full install for.
Pretty sure that if someone comes to NTG and I leave that they don't have to, by license, delete my account and create a new one (especially as the pricing is identical) but the new employee is able to assume my identity and keep using my accounts as if they were me.
Why? I have no idea why someone would do this. But I believe that you CAN.
Oh sure, that's no different than me never creating new users on Active Directory - Bob quit last month and we hired Fred, but instead of creating a new account for Fred, we'll just make him use Bob's old account with Bob's old username, etc. But that seems kinda crazy.
As for the Office install - Assuming you were more normal and did delete Bob's account and created a new one for Fred, The admins would just make sure Bob was logged out of the Local Office installation, then Fred would log into the Office install. No reinstall would be needed.
not disagreeing, just saying that you can do it. When you are talking about moving around O365 accounts, that's what that would mean.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Well.... that's a weird thing to ask, really. Sure you can move them around, but why? What's your goal here?
I was thinking in a scenario where only certain people needed (or sometime needed to use) Office at certain times, you could just assign the license to them on an as needed basis. It would get too complicated to manage large scale, obviously. But perhaps one Client required it, and every person who was assigned to work with that client would get an Office license while they were working with them.
Like having a computer in the common area that had Office on it, but in the cloud world.
Yeah, probably too much to even think of thinking about.
No, what you are describing is multiple people using one account. You can't reassign moment to moment. "Oh, Fred used that account twenty minutes ago but it is assigned to George now. Karen is waiting for George to be done so that the license can be moved to her." That's not how it would work. If you can't shut the account down and make a new one, you can't "share".
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Someone asked me this last night because they wanted to cheat.
Small company of 5 people, 5 computers. The question was asked - can they purchase one license of O365 that includes the local install of Office and install that single license on all 5 computer for all 5 users to use. Then have the company buy 4 Exchange only licenses for the other employees?
I said no, that the local install by license is limited to only the user that license is assigned to.
How would that ever be legal?
Or do the business versions of O365 allow installation on 5 machines? (I think I read that in another thread.) Obviously for each USER, though, not like the home edition where 5 individual users can use the same account.
Yup, five machines per E3 account. But only for a single user.
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@Dashrender said:
@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Well.... that's a weird thing to ask, really. Sure you can move them around, but why? What's your goal here?
I was thinking in a scenario where only certain people needed (or sometime needed to use) Office at certain times, you could just assign the license to them on an as needed basis. It would get too complicated to manage large scale, obviously. But perhaps one Client required it, and every person who was assigned to work with that client would get an Office license while they were working with them.
Like having a computer in the common area that had Office on it, but in the cloud world.
Yeah, probably too much to even think of thinking about.
Wow that would be a nightmare to manage. Would you install Office on every machine in advance? What I'm not sure of is how Office from O365 handles shared machines.
Let's assuming I have 5 workstations and 4 workers and a supervisor. All 5 people can sit anywhere they want, and it's common for them to just randomly sit anywhere within these 5 computers.
Let's assume only the supervisor needs locally installed Office, so this means that Office needs to be installed on all 5 computers.
How is the licensing verified? I know that Office from O365 requires that an O365 user log into it to verify that said user has the correct type of license to allow them to use locally install Office.
Is that login to Office only tied to that user profile?
How about this for a curveball, what if they all use the same profile because they use all web based or otherwise authenticated access and there's no reason to create local individual profiles?
When you USE MS Office, you sign in. You actually log into the Office system itself, not just the desktop.
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@Dashrender said:
How about this for a curveball, what if they all use the same profile because they use all web based or otherwise authenticated access and there's no reason to create local individual profiles?
@Minion-Queen @scottalanmiller Any NTG experts here who can weigh in on this?
Not really a curveball, that would be fine. The shared profile is allowed of course. They just can't access the MS Office or other O365 licensed products. No different than any non-policed situation. If they tough O365 in any way, they are using it without paying. There is a system for limiting this technologically if customer wants to protect themselves from accidents or they can do it this way where they have to be self-policing.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
Yes. Assuming your employer only needs Office installed on one of their computers for your use, you can install it on 4 others and use it as long as they pay for the license.
And assuming they use their work logon to activate it.
The whole MS Account thing can get confusing.
It's actually decently straightforward. Just like signing into any product to use. If you are signing in as someone else, you need to be aware of the licensing and limitations and violations that might come with that. MS Office isn't unique in any way here. You pay per user, it actually makes it easier than it used to be.
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@scottalanmiller said:
It's actually decently straightforward. Just like signing into any product to use. If you are signing in as someone else, you need to be aware of the licensing and limitations and violations that might come with that. MS Office isn't unique in any way here. You pay per user, it actually makes it easier than it used to be.
I meant in general.
Like I use my work account for everything, which I know is a no-no. (And probably the cause of half of this.)
But I have a OneDrive account under it, a ODfB account, a Microsoft account, my XBOX account. Know what I mean?
It could just be me. Probably, probably is.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It's actually decently straightforward. Just like signing into any product to use. If you are signing in as someone else, you need to be aware of the licensing and limitations and violations that might come with that. MS Office isn't unique in any way here. You pay per user, it actually makes it easier than it used to be.
I meant in general.
Like I use my work account for everything, which I know is a no-no. (And probably the cause of half of this.)
But I have a OneDrive account under it, a ODfB account, a Microsoft account, my XBOX account. Know what I mean?
It could just be me. Probably, probably is.
Yeah, mixing accounts can definitely make it challenging to know what piece belongs to what.
Since you're using the same email address for both a Buiness O365 Account and a Personal O365 account (even if it's not Personal O365, just OD and Xbox and MS Live), I can definitely see why you might have confusion as to what is able to do what.
I haven't merged my accounts like that.
I opened a small business O365 account that is associated with a domain I own and I have an email address off that.
I have a Microsoft account that is associated with a non MS email address (boy MS really doesn't like that - just like google doesn't like that) that my OD account is also part of.
So I have to manage two separate accounts.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It's actually decently straightforward. Just like signing into any product to use. If you are signing in as someone else, you need to be aware of the licensing and limitations and violations that might come with that. MS Office isn't unique in any way here. You pay per user, it actually makes it easier than it used to be.
I meant in general.
Like I use my work account for everything, which I know is a no-no. (And probably the cause of half of this.)
But I have a OneDrive account under it, a ODfB account, a Microsoft account, my XBOX account. Know what I mean?
It could just be me. Probably, probably is.
Oh, the issue is too many accounts from one vendor. Yes, I get that. Although they are a massive vendor and those are mostly unique services. ODfB and OneDrive can't be the same, obviously, one is the office, one is home.
