Solved difference between IP PBX and IP Centrex
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@IT-ADMIN said:
but i don't see the benefit behind paying only for the PBX service, everybody now can have his own PBX on premise, the key feature is how to connect to the PSTN network, and what make sense for me is to pay in order to get connected to the PSTN
You wouldn't be able to make your local system as reliable as Rackspace, Amazon, or Azure has made their's. Not to mention that even if you lose internet access locally your PBX will still be able to route calls, you could forward calls to users cell phones or even pick up the handset and move it someplace else that has internet access. Even if no one is able to do either of those things your voicemail would still be accessible.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
but i don't see the benefit behind paying only for the PBX service, everybody now can have his own PBX on premise, the key feature is how to connect to the PSTN network, and what make sense for me is to pay in order to get connected to the PSTN
Many places outside of Qatar this is not the best way to get reliable service. Your problem is government imposed monopoly.
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@JaredBusch said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
but i don't see the benefit behind paying only for the PBX service, everybody now can have his own PBX on premise, the key feature is how to connect to the PSTN network, and what make sense for me is to pay in order to get connected to the PSTN
Many places outside of Qatar this is not the best way to get reliable service. Your problem is government imposed monopoly.
Ah, I keep forgetting the Qatar angle. Sorry my previous comment really doesn't fit in this situation.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
but i don't see the benefit behind paying only for the PBX service, everybody now can have his own PBX on premise, the key feature is how to connect to the PSTN network, and what make sense for me is to pay in order to get connected to the PSTN
Like any enterprise server, having on premises is a niche need, not a "standard use case." I'm not saying that it should always be hosted in a datacenter, but getting your servers into enterprise datacenters (colo, cloud computing, whatever) is the majority use case for reliably computing (just meaning 51%+.) If your PBX is critical, why would you have it on premises unless you were in a special case where you primarily need calls in house rather than out of house?
PBXs are actually one of the first workloads that you send off to the datacenter because their usefulness when the PSTN disconnects is effectively zero (with only the rarest exceptions.)
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@IT-ADMIN said:
but i don't see the benefit behind paying only for the PBX service, everybody now can have his own PBX on premise, the key feature is how to connect to the PSTN network, and what make sense for me is to pay in order to get connected to the PSTN
All it would take is you wanting to not have a Qatar phone number and instantly having in house PBX would make little sense for you currently as well. It isn't just that you are in Qatar, it is solely that you are in Qatar and want a local phone number that makes things seem different there.
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yeah guys you are right, i forget the advantage that even if you have internet cut, you cab still have incoming calls alike if you have it on premise,
so i have a question here, you said that you host the PBX and you have nothing to do with connecting it to the PSTN, so how it is connected to the PSTN, is the customer pay the telephone company to provide you with the POTS lines or ISDN line or your service is limited to connect the PBX to the PSTN via internet telephony (voip trunk) -
@IT-ADMIN said:
so i have a question here, you said that you host the PBX and you have nothing to do with connecting it to the PSTN, so how it is connected to the PSTN, is the customer pay the telephone company to provide you with the POTS lines or ISDN line or your service is limited to connect the PBX to the PSTN via internet telephony (voip trunk)
VoicePulse, voip.ms or any trunk provider that you want. Same as if you hosted on premises. Nothing changes when it goes hosted except you get support and it is in an enterprise datacenter.
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This is VoIP, you would never get POTS or ISDN.
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great i understand now
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i know that you hate connecting the PBX via POTS or ISDN, lol
you are all the time recommending using Voip Providers
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i know that you hate connecting the PBX via POTS or ISDN, lol
you are all the time recommending using Voip ProvidersWell we are way past 2003. I recommend email over snail mail and telephones over screaming from tree tops.
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by the way, not all countries allow VOIP Providers, even the UAE (United Arab Emirat) the famous country in the middle east which has booming Dubai city, i had a conversation with @Ambarishrh who is working in UAE, he told me that they have the same problem, VOIP Providers are not allowed
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country -
@IT-ADMIN said:
by the way, not all countries allow VOIP Providers, even the UAE (United Arab Emirat) the famous country in the middle east which has booming Dubai city, i had a conversation with @Ambarishrh who is working in UAE, he told me that they have the same problem, VOIP Providers are not allowed
Yup, it's a backwards part of the world, I'm afraid. Not much that you can do. VoIP is allowed unofficially, of course, it is used all of the time. They don't actually crack down on it like you imagine that they do. Is it officially allowed, maybe, maybe not. People rarely understand the technical terms or the laws so there is every possibility that it is allowed and just very misunderstood.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country
I'm sure that they are. But remember that Office 365, Google Apps, most instant messaging platforms, WebEx, Join.me and others are all VoIP platforms too. Do you have any of those?
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It's sad when super poor countries like Nicaragua are so far and away more business friendly and technologically advanced. No issues with VoIP or anything else here. No legal restrictions on communications.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country
I'm sure that they are. But remember that Office 365, Google Apps, most instant messaging platforms, WebEx, Join.me and others are all VoIP platforms too. Do you have any of those?
lol, of course i have,
but when it come to telephony, most businesses need local phone numbers not long strange numbers that the voip provider give, this is the limitation we have when it comes to telephony, -
@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country
I'm sure that they are. But remember that Office 365, Google Apps, most instant messaging platforms, WebEx, Join.me and others are all VoIP platforms too. Do you have any of those?
lol, of course i have,
but when it come to telephony, most businesses need local phone numbers not long strange numbers that the voip provider give, this is the limitation we have when it comes to telephony,Those are all telephony platforms. Your limitations are that local numbers are owned by the government and has nothing to do with VoIP. You are mixing concepts. You are not limited from having VoIP. You are only restricted from getting local numbers from enterprise, modern carriers. Those might have similar effects but are not at all the same problem.
You can get VoIP no problem. Tons of businesses even in the US don't use local numbers that often. Sure they "all" have them, but their use is declining. If businesses were in such a country and using local numbers guaranteed that you were using old, backwards technology it seems that competent companies would look for alternatives and business partners that do alternatives quickly.
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I realize the complications caused by not being able to get "government recognized local numbers." But like many things, what "is local" is only valuable because all of the companies that you do business with make it valuable. If the companies wanted to they could stop recognizing what the government forces them to use as "local" or even as "competent" and move on. There is a business-class solution there that people are ignoring for whatever reason. Laziness, cluelessness, lack of caring, whatever.
Just because you lack democracy politically does not mean that you do not have it financially. The issue that you have blocking VoIP as a solution is caused by a "group think" mentality in the businesses, not strictly by the government.
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@scottalanmiller yeah you can use VOIP even freely like skype, viber..... but VOIP without local number doesn't make any sense at least in our local culture, no one will call you business phone number if it is strange, i mean it is useless, so VOIP without the ability to get local numbers is like nothing
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@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller yeah you can use VOIP even freely like skype, viber..... but VOIP without local number doesn't make any sense at least in our local culture, no one will call you business phone number if it is strange, i mean it is useless, so VOIP without the ability to get local numbers is like nothing
That's the decision of the local culture, though, and completely different than restricting VoIP. It is a decision that every person behaving that way makes to empower the government monopoly. I realize that culture is what culture is, but it is very important that the government is simply taking advantage of a power that the people are willfully and voluntarily handing to them every day. At any moment the people could simply wake up, realize how ridiculous they are being and be free of those costs and problems overnight.
