Onedrive is shrinking
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
ah, and I was saying that it doesn't have a "restore" function. It's not backup NOR is it a sync. It is designed to hold files it is told to hold. It does not "mimic a local file structure" and have a method for restoring that.
So you are also not classifyinig OneDrive, ODfB, or Dropbox as "backup", then, right?
You've mentioned "storage" and "backup" a few times in various threads. I was just saying I think there is a third class, into which OneDrive and DropBox fall into.
I would actually consider them storage. It functions the same as Amazon Cloud Drive, it's just easier to access your files.
Or since those program tap into the local file system, do you not agree with that?
I would call OneDrive and DropBox and Amazon all storage - definitely not backups. OneDrive for Business is an edge case since it's part of SharePoint.
OneDrive doesn't really tap into local storage other than keeping a sync'ed copy of files local. Normal Apps access those files through OneDrive, not directly to the file path, at least by default.
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@Dashrender said:
OneDrive doesn't really tap into local storage other than keeping a sync'ed copy of files local. Normal Apps access those files through OneDrive, not directly to the file path, at least by default.
Is that how it works? I always assumed it did the stuff all local, and then just synced the changes.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
OneDrive doesn't really tap into local storage other than keeping a sync'ed copy of files local. Normal Apps access those files through OneDrive, not directly to the file path, at least by default.
Is that how it works? I always assumed it did the stuff all local, and then just synced the changes.
I'm sure you're exactly right - it works locally, but the applications don't see it working that way.. that's a technical thing that end users and apps don't understand or care about.
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@BRRABill said:
@Dashrender said:
OneDrive doesn't really tap into local storage other than keeping a sync'ed copy of files local. Normal Apps access those files through OneDrive, not directly to the file path, at least by default.
Is that how it works? I always assumed it did the stuff all local, and then just synced the changes.
Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.
I am thinking local apps, again because that is what I use.
For example, I am sure Word 2007 has no idea what OneDrive is.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Nope, because a lot of those apps don't talk to anything local and the online ones don't even have that option.
I am thinking local apps, again because that is what I use.
For example, I am sure Word 2007 has no idea what OneDrive is.
Only works because you are using old versions. Word doesn't have this option, just Word from a different era does. Assuming this decade, current systems.
Why do you have all these ancient apps? Office 2007 is seriously old.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Only works because you are using old versions. Word doesn't have this option, just Word from a different era does. Assuming this decade, current systems.
Why do you have all these ancient apps? Office 2007 is seriously old.
It works for what I need.
I could use a typewriter, probably.
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Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
Another decent one I've used for Linux is WPS Office. It's free on Linux and has the ribbon interface.
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WPS? Who makes that?
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@scottalanmiller said:
WPS? Who makes that?
Used to be Kingsoft. It started on Android and they made a full suite.
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@MattSpeller said:
Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.
Exactly. LibreOffice lets you retain the same people and the same training decade after decade with the lowest cost up front and the lowest cost for training and you get to stay up to date and compatible with the least interruption and impact. Why go to all of the problems associated with running long outdated versions of Office, especially a version that had just caused the big Ribbon re-training?
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@MattSpeller said:
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will 2007? That stuff causes problems there moreso than on LibreOffice from what little exposure I've had. But that's talking about migrating now, I'm asking how the situation arose.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
Cost of retraining users can be prohibitive for small companies.
Also, is it 100% compatible with all the funky macro's and lord knows what other garbage our users have created?
Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?
I'm sure it will still be around. There are governments that have switched to the odt format.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?
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@MattSpeller said:
Will it still be there in 10 years? If we invest in the training will this company still be around making and updating it?
You have made three strong cases for going to LibreOffice. I see you are as questioning of this as me. Yeah, LibreOffice has been around for 30 years and is open source protecting it from being shut down my its vendor when users still want it. So MS Office poses a bit threat that MS might decide that it costs too much to make or support or no longer fits their vision and it just goes away.
The reasons to not be on old versions of MS Office are very strong.
Why why do people do it?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?
What's the cost to change templates and formatting vs buying multiple licenses for office for multiple years though?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?
It's a problem going MS Office to MS Office as well as going to LibreOffice. No idea which is better or worse. The nice thing about LibreOffice is once you make the switch those things mostly drop to zero.
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@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Something I've always wondered, and is probably worth a thread, is I get why people use expensive software and I get why we use free but I rarely see a value in picking expensive software that we can't keep updated. Office makes sense to me, but if you are stuck on 2007, why not move to LibreOffice and be able to keep updated?
I looked at moving from Office 2003 to LibreOffice and other options 8 years ago. All of our templates would have had to be completely redesigned, and MS Word files often didn't maintain the correct formatting. Maybe this isn't so much of a problem today?
What's the cost to change templates and formatting vs buying multiple licenses for office for multiple years though?
And for the indefinite future. One is a one time cost, one is a recurring one.
