Dicussion about time, DST and businesses hours of operation
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller also suggested that most businesses today work at the wrong time. Instead of factories being open during the day, they should be running at night, when it's less expensive to cool them in the summers.
I think social push back would be the main reason this isn't the case, not to mention normal human body cycles, our bodies want to be awake during the sun up time of day.
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I've was told it was for farming and agriculture so as to better make use of daylight... now if that is true or just American propaganda I don't know.
Can't affect them, it was only for non-agriculture to make better use of daylight. But since those people set their own schedules, it doesn't affect them either.
What about societal norms. If all businesses just chose random times that they wanted to be open it would be mad chaos.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I've was told it was for farming and agriculture so as to better make use of daylight... now if that is true or just American propaganda I don't know.
Can't affect them, it was only for non-agriculture to make better use of daylight. But since those people set their own schedules, it doesn't affect them either.
What about societal norms. If all businesses just chose random times that they wanted to be open it would be mad chaos.
Not really. There are only a few businesses that don't rely on others to open. Every other one would need to be open/closed to match with the businesses and people they support. Especially in the US.
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That's definitely true, most businesses rely other others, and would find a way to sync up.
and of course the government would have to sync up with these as well. Think about a situation where businesses change from the typical 8-5 and move to 9-6 or even 10-7. Now you're completely out of sync with the post office and schools.
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Business operating hours is not in the least effected by Day Light Savings. In terms of customer hours.
Customers will continue to do the normal "daylight shopping" (and I use that vaguely). Manufacturing companies for example, many of which I know personally having worked for a rather large one operate 24/7.
Customers will still purchase items when they have the need for an item. Either an online order via email or a direct "in store" purchase.
Client visits would continue during "normal business hours" which means "daylight hours of operation".
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller also suggested that most businesses today work at the wrong time. Instead of factories being open during the day, they should be running at night, when it's less expensive to cool them in the summers.
I think social push back would be the main reason this isn't the case, not to mention normal human body cycles, our bodies want to be awake during the sun up time of day.
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Maybe, but it is cheaper for nearly everyone to work at night. Daytime in the US is the most expensive. Especially now with batteries to store power and LED lights.
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@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I've was told it was for farming and agriculture so as to better make use of daylight... now if that is true or just American propaganda I don't know.
Can't affect them, it was only for non-agriculture to make better use of daylight. But since those people set their own schedules, it doesn't affect them either.
What about societal norms. If all businesses just chose random times that they wanted to be open it would be mad chaos.
Not really. There are only a few businesses that don't rely on others to open. Every other one would need to be open/closed to match with the businesses and people they support. Especially in the US.
Actually in many cases being open at the same time is an issue. Being open staggered would often be better.
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@Jason said:
@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
I didn't mean cool. I meant the cost of electricity would be much less expensive for equipment.
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@Dashrender said:
That's definitely true, most businesses rely other others, and would find a way to sync up.
and of course the government would have to sync up with these as well. Think about a situation where businesses change from the typical 8-5 and move to 9-6 or even 10-7. Now you're completely out of sync with the post office and schools.
But they equally, I think, rely on being staggered as simultaneous. It causes a LOT of issues when everyone works at the same time. How do restaurants, shops, etc. work?
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@coliver said:
@Jason said:
@coliver said:
No arguments with either point here. It would make so much more sense to do manufacturing at night when electrical costs would be lower. Would ancillary businesses also need to change their hours?
Cool Manufactoring? We don't cool it. Neither do most big manufacturing companies.
I didn't mean cool. I meant the cost of electricity would be much less expensive for equipment.
Ahh @scottalanmiller said cool. Power costs the same no matter the time of day for us.
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Much of the US has flexible power costs. DST pushed everyone to use the most expensive power. It makes big money for the power grids.
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Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
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DST has been shown to have major health implications too. It stresses the human body to attempt to shift by an hour twice a year. Not huge, but across a large population it is very measurable. It increases sick time, makes people late for work... DST creates a huge cascade of issues that people are not addressing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Why do companies run lights like they do when people use computers all day and the lights cause eye strain anyway? That's crazy. Every business I know of any size runs as many lights during the day as at night. We need to fix THAT instead.
This I don't understand. Especially in states (like NY) that are starting to require natural lighting for employee offices.
Yeah, it's crazy. Let's waste money producing unneeded light and heat and shining that light directly into the eyes of people working on computers who already have plenty of light from the sun and now are squinting and getting huge eye strain just to waste money on power and make them less productive.
Most of the work areas in my building spaces don't have natural light, and due to privacy, it would be very difficult to provide such access.
Thats really a rare situation, though, and most medical facilities have natural light from doctor's offices to hospitals.
In the patient rooms, perhaps. But not where the staff spend the majority of their time.
This is true. Many offices in our hospitals around here don't have natural light. Patient care rooms generally do though.
