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  • #AppleEvent: Company Introduces 12.9-Inch iPad Pro, Apple Pencil Stylus and Updates to Apple Watch

    The iPad Pro starts at $799 and can be used with the Apple Pencil. Apple TV will feature Siri capability and games. The Apple Watch will get new bands, faces, and apps, including Facebook Messenger.


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    ipad pro

    The 12.9" iPad Pro


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    a lot of pixels

    That's a lot of pixels.



  • $800 - and it's still not a full PC. I guess. Then again we've been paying this for phones for years so what do I know? ;)



  • My opinion on it. It's the Apple Version of the Surface Pro.... Better battery though and I think weighs less.



  • At least they are adding onto the device, but their main go to has always been looks over function.

    They added a pencil.

    I wonder does it use #2 lead or #3. . .


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    @Dashrender said:

    $800 - and it's still not a full PC.

    It's ARM, not a PC at all.


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    @DustinB3403 said:

    At least they are adding onto the device, but their main go to has always been looks over function.

    They goal has always been useful functionality over functionality sprawl. The device for the 80%. You can't make a device that does everything and still be useful for most people. If that were true, everyone would be on Linux because it does more than anyone else. The biggest reason people avoid Linux - it does too much making it too hard and confusing not due to complexity but due to choices.



  • @Minion-Queen said:

    My opinion on it. It's the Apple Version of the Surface Pro.... Better battery though and I think weighs less.

    How is this a Surface Pro? It runs IOS, right?

    Scott's comment that it runs ARM isn't relevant to my point which was that this is still an iPAD, not a full on content creation device because it's hamstrung by the app model. Now in writing that I realize my own bias at the device - I've owned three different tablets and have I yet to find any real use for any of them. My wife is no different. We both prefer Kindles for reading books and full out laptop (convertibles) for anything our phones can't handle. Of course that said, I know we are in the minority. People seem to love their tablets, so I'm sure this will be a highly coveted device. But back to the PC, I guess I need to stop being the Luddite and get with the modern world.


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    @Dashrender said:

    Scott's comment that it runs ARM isn't relevant to my point

    You said it wasn't a full PC. PC means AMD64 architecture. This is ARM. Different architecture, can never be a PC.


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    You CAN make full blown ARM devices that do all of the content creation stuff, but this is a tablet. It's like being upset that a Ferrari, while a nice car, isn't a boat. What's the point? Of course it isn't a boat. For people who want boats, normally they just say "Oh, I'm not a car guy." For people who like cars, Ferrari is pretty nice.


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    @Minion-Queen said:

    My opinion on it. It's the Apple Version of the Surface Pro.... Better battery though and I think weighs less.

    @Dashrender said:

    How is this a Surface Pro? It runs IOS, right?

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  • What? how so? She said this was Apple's version of the Surface Pro, so unless this device is a full blown MAC OS X, it's not Apple's version of the Surface Pro, it's simply Apples giant sized iPad.


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    @Dashrender said:

    How is this a Surface Pro? It runs IOS, right?

    The comparison is that they are both tablets and both good as content consumers and bad as content creators. You CAN create with both and both are very bad at it. This is a device designed really well (we assume) to do what it does without all of the bloat of trying to pretend that it is a content creation device.

    The Surface and the iPad are, to nearly all people, head to head competitors. Which is why Surfaces end up being used as iPads stands on TV - they are direct replacements to the average user. Tablet vs. tablet.


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    @Dashrender said:

    What? how so? She said this was Apple's version of the Surface Pro, so unless this device is a full blown MAC OS X, it's not Apple's version of the Surface Pro, it's simply Apples giant sized iPad.

    Because Surface doesn't mean that to most people. It's a tablet, a content consuming device. Both are tablets, high powered ones.

    What makes OSX special compared to iOS to you? They are different, yes of course, but what actual definition of functionality difference are you using to define whatever two things you have in your mind?



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    What makes OSX special compared to iOS to you? They are different, yes of course, but what actual definition of functionality difference are you using to define whatever two things you have in your mind?

    Nothing anymore.. it's simply the availability of the app you want. which as we know is narrowing daily.


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    @Dashrender said:

    Nothing anymore.. it's simply the availability of the app you want. which as we know is narrowing daily.

    So you are defining PC by "the number of apps that you want that people have made as third parties?"

    Then things are only PCs on a personal basis and has nothing to do with the device at all. That seems a rather hard to use definition.

    But you feel OSX has every app that you want? It's definitely not a PC to me by your definition of it.


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    The Live Photos feature looks really cool.


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    $32 a month for iPhone upgrade program from the Apple Store.


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    @JaredBusch said:

    $32 a month for iPhone upgrade program from the Apple Store.

    That feels a little high, but maybe not. Is it every two years?



  • Actually I no longer have a good definitely of PC, what used to be Personal Computer. Most these devices qualify for those two works these days. Your phone, your tablet, your desktop at home, etc - they are all personally connected to you and what you want them to do.

    I'll admit that when I think of PC I bias myself to a a full Windows desktop/laptop OS i.e. Windows 10, a device that I can create my own software for, buy software for nearly any function I desire, etc. But when I look at the software side of that, the reality is that the same can pretty much be said for IOS/Android too, so what stops them from being a PC?


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    @Dashrender said:

    Actually I no longer have a good definitely of PC, what used to be Personal Computer.

    PC was created by IBM and Intel in the very early 1980s and was an architectural spec for the IA16 and later IA32 and finally AMD64 platforms. It is an actual spec and was never open to interpretation.

    Most non-technical people started using it to mean any personal computer, which had no definition and was just "not a shared machine." Now that we have things like iOS, one could argue that the old definition for casual non-technical use as a non-shared machine applies only to devices like iOS and Android and not to traditional desktops which are now multi-user in most cases.


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    @Dashrender said:

    I'll admit that when I think of PC I bias myself to a a full Windows desktop/laptop OS i.e. Windows 10, a device that I can create my own software for, buy software for nearly any function I desire, etc. But when I look at the software side of that, the reality is that the same can pretty much be said for IOS/Android too, so what stops them from being a PC?

    On a technical side, they are not PC because they are not AMD64 and PC spec (you can be AMD64 and not PC as well.) PC is a full device spec for the interfaces and why the PC world is homogenized and the ARM world, for example, is not. There is no "ARM compatible" label because one ARM device can be quite different from another. But PC is PC. Hardware is interchangeable.

    On a non-technical side the term means very little and nothing makes any of these devices more or less personal or a computer. Windows was not even the first OS on the PC. First it was CP/M, then DOS.


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    @scottalanmiller said:

    @JaredBusch said:

    $32 a month for iPhone upgrade program from the Apple Store.

    That feels a little high, but maybe not. Is it every two years?

    Gets you an unlocked iPhone on the carrier of your choice (service is separate).
    AppleCarePlus
    Get a new phone every year.
    It is a 24 month payment plan if you choose to stop getting a new phone, you will have finish paying for it.

    This is not a high price, when you already pay ~$27/month to AT&T or T-Mobile for the installment plan on their service if you do not pay up front. AT&T and T-Mobile have their payment plans total to exactly the retail cost, so there is no cost savings one way or the other with that side of it.


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