Trust online services?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
It's still just a trial version of their fully featured product.
Do you consider all the ones that you pay for, short of the "Unlimited" top end one, to be trials as well? If not, what's the difference? They are all limited in similar ways to the top end one.
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Looks a bit like CopperEgg. Nice service, small companies tend to balk at the cost, though.
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@johnhooks said:
@thecreativeone91 they do have a free version. It's limited to around 2-3 days for log history though.
Not really a free product then, just a free trial.
It's really free, not a trial. Two servers with a shorter than usual retention. That's still a full and quite usable product if you have need to look at just two servers. The three day retention is not a big deal, it's still very functional for monitoring and troubleshooting. A bit useless for long term capacity planning.
It's still just a trial version of their fully featured product.
What makes it a trial vs a free version, in your mind?
Because it's just a trial version to get you into buying their other pay for version. It's not a stand alone fully feature free version that they only offer as free.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Because it's just a trial version to get you into buying their other pay for version. It's not a stand alone fully feature free version that they only offer as free.
But it is not a trial. No part of it is trialed. It IS stand alone and fully featured.
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What feature is missing that we aren't aware of? I didn't see any functionality not there.
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Even if it was missing features, that's still not what trial means. Trial means you get something to test it and then lose it. Every feature that you get with the free version you get to keep, forever (in theory.) Nothing trial about it.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@johnhooks said:
@thecreativeone91 they do have a free version. It's limited to around 2-3 days for log history though.
Not really a free product then, just a free trial.
It's really free, not a trial. Two servers with a shorter than usual retention. That's still a full and quite usable product if you have need to look at just two servers. The three day retention is not a big deal, it's still very functional for monitoring and troubleshooting. A bit useless for long term capacity planning.
It's still just a trial version of their fully featured product.
What makes it a trial vs a free version, in your mind?
Because it's just a trial version to get you into buying their other pay for version. It's not a stand alone fully feature free version that they only offer as free.
I haven't actually read the offerings - but according to @scottalanmiller it does have all of the features of the paid version, only it's limited to 2 days of logs and 2 servers.
As Scott mentioned, this is no different that solutions that have graduated pay levels. Heck, in that case SQL Standard vs SQL Enterprise - you could argue Standard is a trial version of Enterprise edition because it's missing components of Enterprise, but I think we'd all agree that Standard is no trial.
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Exactly, tiers and being a trial aren't the same. To take it to the next logical level, is the Chevy Camaro just a trial version of the Camaro SS?
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@scottalanmiller said:
But it is not a trial. No part of it is trialed. It IS stand alone and fully featured.
If it was standalone they would not offer the other tiers, That's what I was say is to be ware of the free products that's aren't offered to to get people to buy the full product.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
If it was standalone they would not offer the other tiers, That's what I was say is to be ware of the free products that's aren't offered to to get people to buy the full product.
I don't understand what you are saying. It's completely free, no strings. If they charged for it, would you still call it a trial? Is it the fact that it is free that you don't like? Why do you dislike the free version and call it a trial but don't dislike the limited paid versions and not call them a trial?
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Are you saying that "stand alone" is on premises? Not sure what you meant by that term. I thought that you meant that it was fully functional and you needed to pay for nothing else to make it work. Which is the case. It is a full working version of the product that is free.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Are you saying that "stand alone" is on premises?
Where did that even come from?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Are you saying that "stand alone" is on premises?
Where did that even come from?
You said that it was not fully "stand alone." I'm trying to figure out what you mean by that term that makes you think that it is not. It works completely as is, nothing else needed. It's stand alone and fully functional.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
It's not a stand alone fully feature free version that they only offer as free.
Here is where it came from.
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Oh I see how this happened.
I think, in this case, he meant it's being used as a bait.
Install it as a trial (not because it's a trial) it on a few servers for however long, then get sucked into it.
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Maybe...
He's gone now, so we'll never know
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@nadnerB said:
Oh I see how this happened.
I think, in this case, he meant it's being used as a bait.
Install it as a trial (not because it's a trial) it on a few servers for however long, then get sucked into it.
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Maybe...
He's gone now, so we'll never knowOne can say that about ANY lower end service. Buy a starter house, get sucked into a McMansion. Buy a Chevy, get sucked into a Cadillac. Buy a 32" TV, get sucked into a 56".
Those aren't trials, they are all full products. But there is always something bigger to buy too.
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The type of data being collected here is not the kind of data that I would have a lot of concern about. They will have some small knowledge of your infrastructure but very small and they don't have data about you. Because of the way that they collect the data there would be very little opportunity for them to use it in a bad way. Server capacity data of customers that they did not select is not highly useful in any major way.
