Sharepoint



  • How relevant is Sharepoint at the moment? Is it worth learning?



  • I'm installing Sharepoint Foundation 2013 right now as it happens. So for me, the answer is "very" and "yes" 🙂



  • @Carnival-Boy said:

    I'm installing Sharepoint Foundation 2013 right now as it happens. So for me, the answer is "very" and "yes" 🙂

    Are you already using it, or is it for testing? If your already using it, what business use cases are you using it for?



  • I've yet to use it, but it integrates with our new ERP system (Microsoft Dynamics NAV) which we're going live with in February. So initially it will be used for document management of invoices and such like.



  • Can't get the damned thing to install! Just gives "Application Server Role, Web Server (IIS) Role: configuration error" when running the install prerequisites tool.



  • We use SharePoint for all our client data and our custom helpdesk right now. In 30 days we will be moving to Dynamics CRM so it will be even more important then.

    We have been using SharePoint for years and can't imagine a company of any size not wanting to use it.



  • @Carnival-Boy Did you actually install Application Server, and IIS Roles? 😉



  • @anonymous said:

    How relevant is Sharepoint at the moment? Is it worth learning?

    Probably remains Microsoft's key pivot technology.



  • @Carnival-Boy said:

    Can't get the damned thing to install! Just gives "Application Server Role, Web Server (IIS) Role: configuration error" when running the install prerequisites tool.

    It's one of the hardest MS products to actually manage. Extremely complex.



  • @Minion-Queen said:

    We have been using SharePoint for years and can't imagine a company of any size not wanting to use it.

    Twelve years now!



  • We have three or four sharepoint sites.. We use them pretty heavily.



  • I can understand Sharepoint being a complex beast -- especially since you can do full scale development using it as a platform... but I simply do not care for it because it is so complex. My last employer used a product that had some bits based on sharepoint. It took their expert on-site almost an entire week to get the Sharepoint instance up and running and functioning with their product... almost a whole week, and that doesn't include any migration from the old SIS we were using into the new one...



  • @dafyre said:

    @Carnival-Boy Did you actually install Application Server, and IIS Roles? 😉

    Yes. Although I don't believe you should have too as one of the purposes of the "Install Software Prerequisites Tool" is surely to, you know, install the software prerequisites.

    Anyway, I'm back on track after running the Powershell scripts listed here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2765260. It's currently installing the rest of the pre-requisites.



  • @dafyre said:

    I can understand Sharepoint being a complex beast -- especially since you can do full scale development using it as a platform... but I simply do not care for it because it is so complex. My last employer used a product that had some bits based on sharepoint. It took their expert on-site almost an entire week to get the Sharepoint instance up and running and functioning with their product... almost a whole week, and that doesn't include any migration from the old SIS we were using into the new one...

    But you can get it hosted and it is super simple. And using tons of its features is super simple. It's only if you want to run on premises and/or do complex workflows that it becomes hard. If you just want to "use it" it can be very simple.



  • My favourite features of SP are the easy ones: really powerful document library system, remote mappable drives, central database for metadata, easy to use searchable wiki, lists.



  • @dafyre said:

    I can understand Sharepoint being a complex beast -- especially since you can do full scale development using it as a platform... but I simply do not care for it because it is so complex. My last employer used a product that had some bits based on sharepoint. It took their expert on-site almost an entire week to get the Sharepoint instance up and running and functioning with their product... almost a whole week, and that doesn't include any migration from the old SIS we were using into the new one...

    A week for moving from any ERP or CRM to another platform is actually pretty fast. You really want to make sure all your ducks are in a row.



  • @scottalanmiller Therein lies the problem, though, right? Even if it is hosted, you still have to be able to develop for it unless you are just "using it"...right?

    (I just saw your next comment pop up)



  • @dafyre said:

    My last employer used a product that had some bits based on sharepoint. It took their expert on-site almost an entire week to get the Sharepoint instance up and running and functioning with their product... almost a whole week

    I'll let you know how I get on then. I am the opposite of "expert" 🙂 I'm running Microsoft Dynamics NAV and also a third-party product called Zetadocs which manages the link between NAV and Sharepoint. It's taken me about an hour so far.



  • OK. All pre-requisites now installed. Time to install the software itself.



  • @dafyre said:

    @scottalanmiller Therein lies the problem, though, right? Even if it is hosted, you still have to be able to develop for it unless you are just "using it"...right?

    I'd guess that 90% of SP users don't develop for it. That's certainly no requirement. And in fact, rarely do I recommend that because that creates a level of lock-in that I would no feel comfortable with. Especially in this day and age where developing against it is not nearly as powerful as what is commonly used.



  • We don't "develop" specifically for share point nor, our Dyanmics/GP packages. We prefer to use them as vanallia (besides design) as possible. Customization's just break upgrades and sometimes even features. We have some scripts but they are all just aspx code nothing special to sharepoint about it aside from it displaying their.



  • I see that Microsoft is killing off Sharepoint Foundation, so there will no longer be a free version.



  • @Carnival-Boy said:

    I see that Microsoft is killing off Sharepoint Foundation, so there will no longer be a free version.

    That's mostly surprising. I did not realize that they were doing that. Is it not coming out in the 2010 version?

    I'm guessing it is because of Office 365's per user pricing and too many small companies skipping that for Foundation.



  • You mean 2016? No, that's what I've just read. Foundation 2013 will be the last and final version.



  • @Carnival-Boy said:

    You mean 2016? No, that's what I've just read. Foundation 2013 will be the last and final version.

    LOL, um, yes. I guess 2010 is in the past now. Wow.



  • many people have been suggesting since 2011 that Microsoft plans to just kill off Sharepoint at some point and possibly replace it with something else.



  • @Carnival-Boy said:

    Foundation 2013 will be the last and final version.

    Really? Why?



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    many people have been suggesting since 2011 that Microsoft plans to just kill off Sharepoint at some point and possibly replace it with something else.

    That's very surprising given their massive push for it and investment in it.



  • All installed and working. Pretty painless in the end. Now I've just got to start using it and get it configured with Dynamics.

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  • Sharegate's blog is an excellent resources if you are working on SP or O365 http://en.share-gate.com/blog