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    Server 2012 R2 Storage Spaces versus Hardware RAID, how do you decide?

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    • creaytC
      creayt @MattSpeller
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      @MattSpeller said:

      Wouldn't you saturate the connection long before it mattered anyway?

      $0.02 - I'd stick with the RAID controller, that's a damn good one and the 1gb model has battery backup too IIRC.

      How would I calculate that?
      The drives are connected through a Perc H710P Mini w/ 1GB of cache.

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      • creaytC
        creayt
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        Initial 2 thread IO benchmark using SQLIO.

        Left is a 6 SSD OBR10, right is a 4 SSD Storage Space:
        2thread.png

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        • creaytC
          creayt
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          The IOs/sec seems terrible with both options, I think these drives are supposed to do 100,000 EACH and both benchmarks pull less than 50,000. That said, I don't fully grasp IOPS yet or how to correctly test it so this may just be my being ignorant at the moment.

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          • MattSpellerM
            MattSpeller
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            This thread is giving me a hardware stiffy, I need to figure out how to do this for a living.

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            • creaytC
              creayt
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              Crystal benchmarks coming shortly.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @creayt
                last edited by

                @creayt said:

                The IOs/sec seems terrible with both options, I think these drives are supposed to do 100,000 EACH and both benchmarks pull less than 50,000. That said, I don't fully grasp IOPS yet or how to correctly test it so this may just be my being ignorant at the moment.

                IOPS are operations and not all operations are equal.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                  @MattSpeller said:

                  This thread is giving me a hardware stiffy, I need to figure out how to do this for a living.

                  I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

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                  • MattSpellerM
                    MattSpeller @creayt
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                    @creayt said:

                    The IOs/sec seems terrible with both options, I think these drives are supposed to do 100,000 EACH and both benchmarks pull less than 50,000.

                    You're right there, have you tried a larger test file?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

                        Is there a way to apprentice for this kind of thing? I need beautiful bleeding edge hardware in my life very badly.

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                        • creaytC
                          creayt @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

                          The hardware RAID is a 6 drive OBR10, and this is a read test, so it's actually losing pretty hard with the exception of a few latency anomalies ( average is 0 for both ), no? Reading from 6 drives versus 4. I haven't run the write tests yet.

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                          • creaytC
                            creayt @MattSpeller
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                            @MattSpeller said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            I recently got an offer to do this full time for a living. Had to turn it down, though.

                            Is there a way to apprentice for this kind of thing? I need beautiful bleeding edge hardware in my life very badly.

                            So do I, so do I.

                            I was so close to pulling the trigger on an MSI Stealth Pro w/ a 5th-gen i7 quad last night but then I remembered what you said about Skylake being around the corner. This Radeon 5750 running 3 1440p monitors bullshit is really killing my experience.

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                            • MattSpellerM
                              MattSpeller @creayt
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                              @creayt That'd be a nice machine regardless

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                              • creaytC
                                creayt @MattSpeller
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                                @MattSpeller said:

                                @creayt That'd be a nice machine regardless

                                Mostly while I become legit w/ system building and overclocking I want a large-screen laptop that can drive 3 screens at 60Hz, so that one seemed excellent for the price ( $1699 ). But it just seems self-indulgent to pick up a semi-cutting-edge-ish laptop like that when the new proc generation is less than 2 months away. Especially if they reduce heat substantially, this is a thin 17" workstation that probably gets pretty hot, so probably worth the wait twice over. It's running an GTX 970M 3GB I think, which w/ the quad core proc in that thin of a shell probably gets pretty steamy.

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                                • creaytC
                                  creayt @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by creayt

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  From these numbers, the hardware RAID is coming back with better IOPS, better throughput and lower latency!

                                  Taking the threads up past the default 2 to 16 ( it's a dual proc octocore so I chose 16, correct me if that's a poor choice ) gets the numbers almost exactly the same interestingly. Except, the hardware RAID had a latency that was about 50% worse than the worst latencey the Space had, and again this is 6 drives ( hardware ) versus 4.

                                  16thread.png

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                                  • MattSpellerM
                                    MattSpeller @creayt
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                                    @creayt metal coffee mug + the fan blowing hot air out the side... 😉

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                                    • creaytC
                                      creayt
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                                      Running Crystals then will do some write IO tests.

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                                      • creaytC
                                        creayt
                                        last edited by creayt

                                        The Storage Space seemed to beat the hardware in Crystal when considering disk quantity.

                                        crushy.jpg

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                                        • creaytC
                                          creayt
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                                          Hardware RAID appears to be walloping the Space w/ the SQLIO tool for write testing so far. Results to follow.

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                                          • creaytC
                                            creayt
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                                            8 thread writes @ 8k
                                            8threadwrite8k.png

                                            16 thread writes @ 64k
                                            16threadwrite64k.png

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