Network Administrator I- Discussion



  • I think, outside of the organic progression of discussions, the questions and concerns about the post were all things that HR and the IT Director should totally have intended as they seemed pretty apparent. Things like payscale, why does the title not reflect the skills listing, why is a college degree listed sort of like a requirement if it truly doesn't matter - what was intended by including it, what is the actual job role and more are things that any minimally qualified candidate should ask the instant that they see this job listing. Why did HR and the Director of IT not choose to answer these things? In a healthy company, one hopes that these questions being asked and discussed would result in valuable, useful feedback on how to rethink titles, job descriptions, job postings, etc. This is a major opportunity for process and departmental improvement. Hopefully it is taken in that light.



  • I hope the post/thread stays put, but I respect @IRJ 's prerogative to pull it if he sees fit to do so. Even if everyone here seems to have pointed out its perceived weaknesses, I think the discussion is valid and constructive.



  • NO, the post should very much get nuked by the OP as the entire thing is a waste of time for the topic.

    @scottalanmiller has ranted on this subject more than one time, in more than one thread, on ML before. I do not see the reason it had to be done again.



  • @JaredBusch said:

    NO, the post should very much get nuked by the OP as the entire thing is a waste of time for the topic.

    @scottalanmiller has ranted on this subject more than one time, in more than one thread, on ML before. I do not see the reason it had to be done again.

    I'm not sure the intended take away from this opinion. That any thread that covers ground that has been covered before should not exist? Many threads ask questions or prompt discussions that have happened before or are similar to ones that have happened before. Do you feel that topics should not come up more than once or that once information exists elsewhere it should not be discussed again?

    I feel that your dislike for this thread has nothing to do with the content but is purely personal.

    Also, the thread is not in question, that remains. It's the OP that may or may not be kept based on @IRJ's decision.



  • scott and dash, what are you guys shitting all over this thread?



  • I think that this thread is actually incredibly valuable because it takes information that may or may not exist and may or may not have been seen in other places and instead of being talked about in a vacuum applies it to a specific job posting. Instead of having "searchable material" that the people involved unlikely would be able to find that would be covered in a "how to" style, this is direct feedback about a specific posting.

    Even if there is material out there on good ways to do many things, people still need feedback on actual implementations. You can read tons of books about system design or how to hire. But reading that stuff is not the same as getting feedback on an actual system design or actual job posting or process or whatever.

    This is a thread that @irj can actually take back to the appropriate people and say "here is the response that we got where people could provide feedback" rather than going back and either ignoring a potential mismatch in outcome to desired outcome or telling the people involved that they need to go search for educational material and study up before doing it again.



  • you think that because you got your words out of your finger tips. someone was looking for something specific, and you made it your own, as you do far too often (in my selfish opinion) on this board. but whatever floats your island.



  • @Hubtech said:

    you think that because you got your words out of your finger tips. someone was looking for something specific, and you made it your own, as you do far too often (in my selfish opinion) on this board. but whatever floats your island.

    So what do you propose? At least I was on topic and responding to the OP and discussions around the OP - and organic conversation growing from that. Are you saying that only people with opinions you want to hear should provide feedback? That there should not be open discussion on an open discussion forum?

    What's the alternative that you suggest? Is it simply that my feedback is not appreciated? I get a very strong sense of that, repeatedly, but what I don't understand is what the expectation of an open discussion is when open discussion is so strongly not appreciated.



  • If you feel that there is important alternative viewpoints, rather than belittling people for participating, why not provide those viewpoints. If you don't feel that there is a valuable alternative viewpoint, why do you feel that it is bad that the one that is provided is provided?



  • @Guest said:

    scott and dash, what are you guys shitting all over this thread?

    This thread.. Or every thread? Anyway apparently Hubtech deleted his account and now it shows at Guest?



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    @Guest said:

    scott and dash, what are you guys shitting all over this thread?

    This thread.. Or every thread? Anyway apparently Hubtech deleted his account and now it shows at Guest?

    Yes, he apparently has left.



  • Sorry if I end up with more questions each time there is a discussion and it pushes the topic away from the OP. But it's the reality of a discussion.

    But perhaps the point of this post wasn't a discussion, but only wanting to post a job thread.

    That said, Scott's right, HR could learn a lot from the feedback in the thread in regards to what kind of people read these postings on these types of boards and what they may or may not bother responding to.



  • All, because it is the job postings board. It is not in a discussion forum.
    Keep your opinions out of the post.

    @scottalanmiller I have no personal skin in this. I stayed out of this until it got so bad the OP contemplated deleting the thread. I only chimed in because at that point you all continued to spew forth unrelated information to the OP's job posting.





  • This topic has been moved to IT Careers. This is a more appropriate space for this discussion.



  • That's more appropriate for the discussion that followed, but not really appropriate for the OP.



  • Oh I agree that for the OP it's not the best place. But for the discussion that follwed it is.



  • Can we change the title to "Network Administrator 1 - Discussion" and have @IRJ repost the OP in the appropriate section?



  • @coliver said:

    Can we change the title to "Network Administrator 1 - Discussion" and have @IRJ reports the OP in the appropriate section?

    I like that idea!



  • Done.



  • It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞



  • They want the starts for sure. 😉



  • @scottalanmiller (!^&!^(#&^%!(*%@)

    curse of the last name heh



  • @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less



  • @IRJ oh, I'm sure it's probably quite good! Just commenting on how it was written



  • @IRJ said:

    @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less

    I've actually been offered way more in Orlando 🙂 But... Orlando. LOL

    But you are right, Orlando is a terrible market and that pay range seems quite reasonable.



  • At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    I've actually been offered way more in Orlando 🙂

    We don't wanna hear about your indecent proposal at Disney.

    A gang bang with Minnie and Pluto? Shame on you!



  • @IRJ said:

    @MattSpeller said:

    It reads like they want the sun, moon and starts and are willing to pay peanuts 😞

    The pay is actually really high for the area. I challenge you to search the Orlando area for jobs. If you spent 20 minutes or so looking on career builder for a similar position, I doubt you would find one in the same pay range. Most would be quite a bit less

    It's much higher than this area. I used to get offered System Administrator roles for under $30k all the time, when my last job was over $10k more. Now that I'm actually looking for a job those don't even come up lol.



  • I am seeing in the market take a dive for pay rates in the more rural areas these days. There is an MSP in Rochester that is paying their Engineering people $15/hour. Their helpdesk get $9/hour. They also only charge customers around $75/hour though so what can you expect?


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