Pertino Questions
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@Breffni-Potter said:
According to Microsoft, any feature of the server, whether DNS/DHCP you need a CAL.
Most organisations get around that with user cals rather than device cals.
Just because everyone is doing it, does not mean they can keep doing it
That's why these audits are so profitable for Microsoft.OK would a User CAL cover an employee who is covered by a User CAL at the office for their home computer?
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@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
According to Microsoft, any feature of the server, whether DNS/DHCP you need a CAL.
Most organisations get around that with user cals rather than device cals.
Just because everyone is doing it, does not mean they can keep doing it That's why these audits are so profitable for Microsoft.OK would a User CAL cover an employee who is covered by a User CAL at the office for their home computer?
I would assume so. If it's the user who is covered, then it seems they wouldn't care what device they used.
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I as Breffni Potter have a user cal.
That enables me to use my desktop/laptop/IPhone/Printer/VOIP Phone/Network controllable LED light.
If anyone else uses my devices for work, then my user cal is void and we now need 2x user cals.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
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@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
I mean, assuming you have a reasonable DHCP lease time, of say 24 hours, once their lease is up, if they haven't grabbed it again, they're gone for good. This is one of those things that Microsoft may say that technically additional CALs would be required, but for this kind of situation I doubt it is ever really enforced.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
Yes, the Blog specifically says if you have a guest get a DHCP address for nothing more than surfing the web, you still need a CAL.
CALs are re assignable after 90 days I think, but still, this is absurd! I guess I need to purchase about 20 more CALs just so we have a rotating pool of CALs for reps who come onsite. Either that or stand up some other box, create a completely separate network, etc, etc for the reps to use.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
I mean, assuming you have a reasonable DHCP lease time, of say 24 hours, once their lease is up, if they haven't grabbed it again, they're gone for good. This is one of those things that Microsoft may say that technically additional CALs would be required, but for this kind of situation I doubt it is ever really enforced.
CALs have always been on the honor system, doesn't mean if you get audited you won't have a lot 'splaining to do Lucy!
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
I mean, assuming you have a reasonable DHCP lease time, of say 24 hours, once their lease is up, if they haven't grabbed it again, they're gone for good. This is one of those things that Microsoft may say that technically additional CALs would be required, but for this kind of situation I doubt it is ever really enforced.
CALs have always been on the honor system, doesn't mean if you get audited you won't have a lot 'splaining to do Lucy!
Yeah, but they'd have to do some serious digging to find out that you had some sales rep show up one time eight months ago for a few hours and get a DHCP lease and use the DNS of the network.
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this is why I hate posting here. who said anything about CALs @thecreativeone91 ?????
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Have a read of this.
Q2 - If I have guests that come into my office an temporarily use a Windows DHCP server to grab an IP address to access the Internet, do they need CALs? I guess the takeaway is to never use a Windows DHCP server?
A2 - Yes, they are using a Windows Server service and would need a CAL.
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
Yes, the Blog specifically says if you have a guest get a DHCP address for nothing more than surfing the web, you still need a CAL.
CALs are re assignable after 90 days I think, but still, this is absurd! I guess I need to purchase about 20 more CALs just so we have a rotating pool of CALs for reps who come onsite. Either that or stand up some other box, create a completely separate network, etc, etc for the reps to use.
Yeah, I guess this is why you spin up a guest network on your router and have it use the router as the DHCP server and DNS via Google/L3/OpenDNS servers.
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@Hubtech said:
this is why I hate posting here. who said anything about CALs @thecreativeone91 ?????
It's a valid point. But I do agree that people on here tend to be a bit of sticklers for the EXACT terms of a license agreement.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
If that is connecting to your AD DNS then you'd need CALs for these home premium devices.
DNS does require a license, I am pretty sure, because you are using it as a non-public service. BUT if you are using it for users that already have CALs, that they are on devices that are not on AD doesn't matter, the user would already have a CAL. But if you are using device CALs, yes, I think that you get caught here.
One of the many caveats of using Windows when something else would do just as well, generally there is a licensing penalty to be had. Windows as a public web server, no CALs. Windows as an Intranet web server - needs CALs. The CALs are not connected to AD but to the use of the Windows platform.
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
If that is connecting to your AD DNS then you'd need CALs for these home premium devices.
Really? just for DNS?
So all those companies that do BOYD and allow employee cell phones on the network and are using their AD for DNS need a CAL just for DNS access?
Of course, if they are using Windows. Why would that be an exception to the licensing requirements?
Using the term AD here is extremely misleading. AD is not involved in any way.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Hubtech said:
this is why I hate posting here. who said anything about CALs @thecreativeone91 ?????
It's a valid point. But I do agree that people on here tend to be a bit of sticklers for the EXACT terms of a license agreement.
It's not really being a stickler if it's a company you follow the terms. No if, ands or buts about it.
It's been this way for a long time. This is why people don't use Windows DNS for non domain guest networks. Though you can share records. Zone Transfers would allow you to Put the records on a Linux DNS server and then access them with only the linux server needing a CAL. Just like you can copy files off a file server and then access the files without a CAL so can you with DNS records, there is no data lock in.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
If that is connecting to your AD DNS then you'd need CALs for these home premium devices.
Really? just for DNS?
So all those companies that do BOYD and allow employee cell phones on the network and are using their AD for DNS need a CAL just for DNS access?
Yeah, I agree with @Dashrender. You're not joining them to the domain, so I don't see how you'd need CALs for this. Using just DNS, you don't get any GPO features, or the like that comes with it being actually joined the domain, which we both know isn't even possible for the home edition without hacking the OS.
What does a domain have to do with the CAL requirement? Where did that come from? CALs are not AD related.
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@Dashrender said:
@thanksajdotcom actually you don't have join AD to require a CAL, just use resources, I thought it was specific resources like file/print services/authentication, etc... would never have figured DNS required CALs though or DHCP (Does DHCP require a CAL too?)
Even if you run Apache and BIND on Windows, you are hit by the CAL requirement. It's a requirement of Windows, not the services running on top of it. DNS, AD, DHCP, IIS... those are all free once you have Windows properly licensed underneath of them.
And yes, this applies to things like Spiceworks too.
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@Dashrender said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
According to Microsoft, any feature of the server, whether DNS/DHCP you need a CAL.
Most organisations get around that with user cals rather than device cals.
Just because everyone is doing it, does not mean they can keep doing it That's why these audits are so profitable for Microsoft.OK would a User CAL cover an employee who is covered by a User CAL at the office for their home computer?
If you are using User CALs, the device is not a factor.
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@Dashrender said:
Well - there we have it.. if you use DHCP for guests you need CALs - damn what a racquet.
Not really. You could use any number of free options for this but presumably feel that Windows is so valuable that it is worth paying for a CAL to use it for anything and everything. If the cost of CALs is too much, you can use Linux, BSD, your firewall, etc. for free. Microsoft's whole deal with Windows is that it is, in theory, nice and easy making it worthwhile to pay a premium to use it. If it isn't worth that premium, don't deploy it (premium includes server cost, CAL cost and licensing management overhead.)
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@thanksajdotcom said:
My question is how would Microsoft track this? I mean, you have someone come in and grab an IP once, you are saying you technically have to purchase an additional CAL for them? That seems extreme.
Not extreme at all, if you think about it logically. You needed the premium Windows platform for some reason, you should pay for it. It's that simple. Why are you using Windows for this if it doesn't provide some value to you?
How they track it is irrelevant. The requirement is for YOU to track it.
