Interview at IBM Tommorrow(26-Apr-2015)
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@coliver said:
@Lakshmana said:
@thecreativeone91 If it was scam,why the manager said that I will arrange for the meeting for that process of selection
They lied to you? Seems like they wanted to get your information for some reason probably credit scam or hiring scam.
Second time this has happened in two weeks. Should not be so surprising now.
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@Lakshmana said:
@coliver said:
I logged into the IBM website only for writing the examFrom home? It was definitely IBM.com and you did it from your own computer?
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@Lakshmana said:
@coliver said:
I logged into the IBM website only for writing the examFrom a trusted computer or one at an "exam center"? I did a cursory search for IBM written assessment. The questions and the answers for the Indian exam can be easily found online. It wouldn't be hard to spoof an "official" IBM website. Although at that point why go through the effort there are much easier ways to get that type of information.
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@coliver said:
@Lakshmana said:
@coliver said:
I logged into the IBM website only for writing the examFrom a trusted computer or one at an "exam center"? I did a cursory search for IBM written assessment. The questions and the answers for the Indian exam can be easily found online. It wouldn't be hard to spoof an "official" IBM website. Although at that point why go through the effort there are much easier was to get that type of information.
If they are doing this on scale, and likely they are, they want to be convincing because they get a better hit ration and their risk of being discovered (by the authorities, by IBM, etc.) is far lower. They need plausible deniability to pull it off. How granted, doing that in India is much easier than in the US. Few of us would have fallen for this one here, but even here many would have. I've certainly been tricked before.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@Lakshmana said:
@coliver said:
I logged into the IBM website only for writing the examFrom a trusted computer or one at an "exam center"? I did a cursory search for IBM written assessment. The questions and the answers for the Indian exam can be easily found online. It wouldn't be hard to spoof an "official" IBM website. Although at that point why go through the effort there are much easier was to get that type of information.
If they are doing this on scale, and likely they are, they want to be convincing because they get a better hit ration and their risk of being discovered (by the authorities, by IBM, etc.) is far lower. They need plausible deniability to pull it off. How granted, doing that in India is much easier than in the US. Few of us would have fallen for this one here, but even here many would have. I've certainly been tricked before.
So the "testing" is just a means to appear legit?
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@coliver said:
So the "testing" is just a means to appear legit?
Possibly. Or the testing is actually part of the scam. Scams are not only for ID and data. Lots of scams are for harvesting staff in order to sell them later. This is far more common in the US than ID theft. The scams are to get people to quit their jobs, become desperate for work and then sell them to companies at discount rates after having "strung them along" with a fake job.
Sounds complicated and weird. But once you've seen it in action it is very effective and can make them a fortune. Teksystems does this in the US in some offices (Connecticut for example.) They'll make you a fake offer somewhere, get you to drop everything for it, wait until your start date, say it fell through or is on hold, and they'll keep you "available" while they either try to get the actual job at a lower rate and/or find other work that you will accept since you are now out of work and in need of a job.
Had this happen to my tenant in NYC THIS MORNING actually (not with Teksystems, with someone representing GE Capital in Connecticut.) It's super common, especially when relocation is involved.
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I'm suprised that kind of stuff isn't illegal here in the stats... and if it is, more people need to know about it!
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@dafyre said:
I'm suprised that kind of stuff isn't illegal here in the stats... and if it is, more people need to know about it!
Most states are at will employment so, a job offer isn't a binding contract.
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@dafyre said:
I'm suprised that kind of stuff isn't illegal here in the stats... and if it is, more people need to know about it!
Oh it's illegal, of course, but it is difficult and expensive to prove fraud. And people without jobs are rarely the people to sue you, especially when you might have a job for them.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Most states are at will employment so, a job offer isn't a binding contract.
At will does not do what people think that it does. At will cannot override federal employment law or "good faith." Fraud is fraud. At will applies to nearly all states and means almost nothing. You cannot attempt to hurt someone through a job offer.
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@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
While AJ is being a little pedantic, he has a very important point. You continue not to learn from mistakes and advice. You use English slang when you are struggling with the base language. This is a bad idea. You should avoid slang as it gets you into trouble. Don't try to be clever or to fake being a native speaker. Focus on being clear and communicative. Get the point across and avoid ignoring things you don't understand and don't use terms you do not understand fully. Don't shorten words unnecessarily. Using mail instead of email is a pointless shortening, how many posts in this thread have been written because you wanted to save one character?
While you are working on learning the language stick to trying to clear, concise writing. Work on accuracy.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
While AJ is being a little pedantic, he has a very important point. You continue not to learn from mistakes and advice. You use English slang when you are struggling with the base language. This is a bad idea. You should avoid slang as it gets you into trouble. Don't try to be clever or to fake being a native speaker. Focus on being clear and communicative. Get the point across and avoid ignoring things you don't understand and don't use terms you do not understand fully. Don't shorten words unnecessarily. Using mail instead of email is a pointless shortening, how many posts in this thread have been written because you wanted to save one character?
While you are working on learning the language stick to trying to clear, concise writing. Work on accuracy.
This. This times 1000! I may seem like I'm being an ass to you, but I'm trying to make a point you don't seem to be getting. Your word choice, grammar, and spelling all make it obvious you are not a native English speaker. Scott's point about trying to fake being a native English speaker is exactly right. It feels like you're trying to fit in with us or maybe even impress us by writing the way you do. However, all it does is make your message harder to read, it distracts me because all your mistakes are as blatant as a flashing neon sign at midnight, and it's also unprofessional.
To be honest, even if your technical skills were amazing, which isn't the case, many jobs would probably disqualify you based on your level of competency with English. If it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you, I am. You ask technical questions, we give you a spelled out, step-by-step answer in many cases, and you completely ignore us.
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent. If you aren't sure what the proper use of a word is, don't use it. If you can't find a suitable replacement, ask one of us. I've offered to help you with your wording and also offered to help you improve your English. But right now, from both a technical and grammatical standpoint, it feels like you're asking question after question just to waste our time. You may sincerely want to know the answer, but if you simply refuse the answers your given or ignore them, then we can't help you.
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Again, I like helping people. Most people view someone who constantly corrects someone as haughty or kind of a jackass. @scottalanmiller can back me up on this, but when people with my type of mind correct you, it's to benefit you. We aren't trying to make you feel stupid or foolish. We're trying to tell you that what you're currently saying/doing is wrong, and that if you fix it, you'll be better for it. Maybe that's one reason I handle criticism so well. Anyways, from now on, when you're writing your posts, I want you to imagine that your dream job in the US depended on how your post read and if it made sense to a native English speaker. Maybe that will help you take it more seriously. Take it from me: if you build a good reputation online, it can open A LOT of doors for you in your career. But having the English skills that don't match that of most elementary/grammar/grade school kids who are native English speakers will be the biggest detriment you can have.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
While AJ is being a little pedantic, he has a very important point. You continue not to learn from mistakes and advice. You use English slang when you are struggling with the base language. This is a bad idea. You should avoid slang as it gets you into trouble. Don't try to be clever or to fake being a native speaker. Focus on being clear and communicative. Get the point across and avoid ignoring things you don't understand and don't use terms you do not understand fully. Don't shorten words unnecessarily. Using mail instead of email is a pointless shortening, how many posts in this thread have been written because you wanted to save one character?
While you are working on learning the language stick to trying to clear, concise writing. Work on accuracy.
This. This times 1000! I may seem like I'm being an ass to you, but I'm trying to make a point you don't seem to be getting. Your word choice, grammar, and spelling all make it obvious you are not a native English speaker. Scott's point about trying to fake being a native English speaker is exactly right. It feels like you're trying to fit in with us or maybe even impress us by writing the way you do. However, all it does is make your message harder to read, it distracts me because all your mistakes are as blatant as a flashing neon sign at midnight, and it's also unprofessional.
To be honest, even if your technical skills were amazing, which isn't the case, many jobs would probably disqualify you based on your level of competency with English. If it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you, I am. You ask technical questions, we give you a spelled out, step-by-step answer in many cases, and you completely ignore us.
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent. If you aren't sure what the proper use of a word is, don't use it. If you can't find a suitable replacement, ask one of us. I've offered to help you with your wording and also offered to help you improve your English. But right now, from both a technical and grammatical standpoint, it feels like you're asking question after question just to waste our time. You may sincerely want to know the answer, but if you simply refuse the answers your given or ignore them, then we can't help you.
That is very harsh and probably would have been better for a private message.
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@Lakshmana Thank you for all your questions and particpation. Keep up the posting. You are doing fine. If you have any concerns or want to verify the validity of a possible interview. We are here to help, not attack you.
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@IRJ said:
@Lakshmana Thank you for all your questions and particpation. Keep up the posting. You are doing fine. If you have any concerns or want to verify the validity of a possible interview. We are here to help, not attack you.
Absolutely. And feel free to provide details early. You've been getting "attacked" a bit recently, it seems, by scam job offerings. I'm sure that this is a big business in India. We might be able to review this stuff before it happens to increase your safety and, hopefully, teach you the signs to look for so that you can recognize a scam before it goes too far.
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Ok Thank you to one all.I will inform the status for the jobs as well as the thread
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Again, I like helping people. Most people view someone who constantly corrects someone as haughty or kind of a jackass. @scottalanmiller can back me up on this, but when people with my type of mind correct you, it's to benefit you.
If you look like a jackass, smell like a jackass, and sound like a jackass, guess what? You're probably a jackass. Saying "people with my type of mind" is just a cop-out, I don't know why you're name dropping Scott - I don't see him being a jackass.
@thanksajdotcom said:
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent.
To you maybe. To me it makes him look like someone whose native language isn't English. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this is an international forum not an American one. I don't see any rules that say you have a certain level of English to post. I'm guessing you live and work somewhere where everyone speaks good English. Lucky you. I don't. His English is better than a lot of my colleagues. We just get on with it. I understand him just fine. Stop writing on behalf of "the rest of the world" - you don't represent me. I could just as easily say to you "the way you word things might be understood by the people in America, but to the rest of the world, it makes you look like a condescending jack-ass."
As someone who is hopeless at foreign languages, I'm impressed by anyone who can post in a foreign language on a forum. I know that if I posted on a French forum and there was someone like you dissing my French constantly I'd have quit ages ago, so fair play to @lakshmana for sticking with us.
PS I still love ya, AJ
