Non-IT News Thread
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Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley and Tlaib were born in the United States. Omar came to the United States from Somalia as a child and is a naturalized citizen.
For anyone to believe someone can "go back", would require them to not believe in America and American immigration. And if "born in America" and naturalized citizens aren't Americans, who is? None of us, that's for sure. Certainly not Trump.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
And he is the problem that they need to fix.
You may think he is a problem and we will agree to disagree on this.
SO, if you think that he's telling them that they need to fix on removing him from the country he is trying to destroy, then yes, he's a bit crazy, but correct. The only country for them to "go back to" is America. There is no other option. They are American.
Now your going out on huge flimsy limbs here and becoming illogical.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
You may think he is a problem and we will agree to disagree on this.
I do, but more importantly, he does. That's what his tweet said. He told people to go to American and fix it.
You can like him or support him, that's fine. But this tweet doesn't hold up. On its own, the Tweet is crazy. Whether it is a one off or standard is disputable. But there is no ground for this tweet to not be both crazy, and hate speech.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
SO, if you think that he's telling them that they need to fix on removing him from the country he is trying to destroy, then yes, he's a bit crazy, but correct. The only country for them to "go back to" is America. There is no other option. They are American.
Now your going out on huge flimsy limbs here and becoming illogical.
What? He told them to go back to their home and fix it. Their home is America. As non-flimsy and it gets. There is no other possible interpretation. There is no other country but America in the context. None.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
SO, if you think that he's telling them that they need to fix on removing him from the country he is trying to destroy, then yes, he's a bit crazy, but correct. The only country for them to "go back to" is America. There is no other option. They are American.
Now your going out on huge flimsy limbs here and becoming illogical.
What? He told them to go back to their home and fix it. Their home is America. As non-flimsy and it gets. There is no other possible interpretation. There is no other country but America in the context. None.
Trump is not crazy. He is just doing a few things that NEED to be done and bleeding hearts don't like the reality of the world.
Trump even offered them up a great deal too. He basically said, "Show me the Money!" Go out, fix it and bring back solutions. Nothing wrong with that.
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
Trump even offered them up a great deal too. He basically said, "Show me the Money!" Go out, fix it and bring back solutions. Nothing wrong with that.
There is a lot wrong with it. He told them to go "back to their own countries"... he said that TO AMERICANS.
There can be no defense of this. This is hate speech.
Trying to make it sound not crazy by ignoring the key portion that underpins the rest doesn't hold up. Go back "where" and fix "what" and bring "what" back? So the implication is that some foreign country needs to teach us how to be a good country, but no idea which ones or who is supposed to do what? It's crazy.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
That may or may not be true, but using racism to excuse racism doesn't work either. We can't say "someone else is racist, so it is okay for us to be." Racism is wrong, regardless of if someone else is also racist. If they are being racists, then that is obviously wrong too. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
One bad white person being racist would never excuse treating all white people as racist, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
Trump even offered them up a great deal too. He basically said, "Show me the Money!" Go out, fix it and bring back solutions. Nothing wrong with that.
There is a lot wrong with it. He told them to go "back to their own countries"... he said that TO AMERICANS.
There can be no defense of this. This is hate speech.
Trying to make it sound not crazy by ignoring the key portion that underpins the rest doesn't hold up. Go back "where" and fix "what" and bring "what" back? So the implication is that some foreign country needs to teach us how to be a good country, but no idea which ones or who is supposed to do what? It's crazy.
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
"go back where you came from" said to Americans is hate speech. There is no grey area there. It is a standard, well know hate speech phrase used to tell minorities that America is for whites only. It is one of the key examples of standard hate speech.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
Are you F'ing kidding me. You bash Trump out the ying yang and then bypass them??????? OMFG!
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
"go back where you came from" said to Americans is hate speech. There is no grey area there. It is a standard, well know hate speech phrase used to tell minorities that America is for whites only. It is one of the key examples of standard hate speech.
FINISH THE SENTENCE! "go back to where you came from" "AND THEN COME BACK!"
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
"go back where you came from" said to Americans is hate speech. There is no grey area there. It is a standard, well know hate speech phrase used to tell minorities that America is for whites only. It is one of the key examples of standard hate speech.
Stop leaving out parts you don't like!
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
Are you F'ing kidding me. You bash Trump out the ying yang and then bypass them??????? OMFG!
In what way did I bypass them? I did nothing of the sort. What are you on about? I simply said that if they did that, it would never excuse Trump or anyone else of being racist because of it.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
"go back where you came from" said to Americans is hate speech. There is no grey area there. It is a standard, well know hate speech phrase used to tell minorities that America is for whites only. It is one of the key examples of standard hate speech.
Stop leaving out parts you don't like!
What difference does that make? The hate speech is there, no mater what else is added afterwards. Stop ignoring the facts.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
"go back where you came from" said to Americans is hate speech. There is no grey area there. It is a standard, well know hate speech phrase used to tell minorities that America is for whites only. It is one of the key examples of standard hate speech.
FINISH THE SENTENCE! "go back to where you came from" "AND THEN COME BACK!"
That is great and all, but still has the "go back where you came from" portion. That place being America. Adding "and then come back" changes nothing. It still includes the hate speech and implies that only white Americans belong here.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
That tweet had not hate speech at all. My goodness!
This is the exact tweet.
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!What country are they supposed to go back too? Three are born in the US citizens the other is naturalized.
So how is this not racist and specifically taking the color of their skin as the only deciding factor about "where they came from".
The president should go back to Loompaland, home of the Oompa Looma's because he's very clearly orange.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
Are you F'ing kidding me. You bash Trump out the ying yang and then bypass them??????? OMFG!
In what way did I bypass them? I did nothing of the sort. What are you on about? I simply said that if they did that, it would never excuse Trump or anyone else of being racist because of it.
" But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there."
I can't bold that statement enough. "that is neither here nor there" is a pass off statement. I am quite alright if you want to put all parties in that statement, but to lambaste one side and not the other is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
Are you F'ing kidding me. You bash Trump out the ying yang and then bypass them??????? OMFG!
In what way did I bypass them? I did nothing of the sort. What are you on about? I simply said that if they did that, it would never excuse Trump or anyone else of being racist because of it.
" But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there."
I can't bold that statement enough. "that is neither here nor there" is a pass off statement. I am quite alright if you want to put all parties in that statement, but to lambaste one side and not the other is wrong, wrong, wrong.
It is not a pass, not sure how you could possibly interpret it as that. So lost as to what you think that means. You used them being racist as a softening on Trump's racism. I said nothing about them being or not being racist, only that one person's racism never excuses someone else's. But you took exception to that?
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That's our America he's dissing there! Most corrupt and inept in the world he calls us!
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
As for racism, those four need to look inwards. It is rampant.
. But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there.
Are you F'ing kidding me. You bash Trump out the ying yang and then bypass them??????? OMFG!
In what way did I bypass them? I did nothing of the sort. What are you on about? I simply said that if they did that, it would never excuse Trump or anyone else of being racist because of it.
" But no matter how racist they may be, that is neither here nor there."
I can't bold that statement enough. "that is neither here nor there" is a pass off statement. I am quite alright if you want to put all parties in that statement, but to lambaste one side and not the other is wrong, wrong, wrong.
It is not a pass, not sure how you could possibly interpret it as that. So lost as to what you think that means. You used them being racist as a softening on Trump's racism. I said nothing about them being or not being racist, only that one person's racism never excuses someone else's. But you took exception to that?
I used the racist comment to not soften anything at all. I called it out because if you want to talk about hate speech (is a form of racism, especially within the context of this tweet), then one has to look at both sides.
I for one do not think Trump is a racist at all. I don't think he used hate speech in this tweet either. Just because one doesn't like hearing something doesn't mean it is hate speech.
If you want it to be hate speech, go ahead, I am fine but will agree to disagree. That is why it is GREAT to be an American! We both would be shot elsewhere.
