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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
Yeah but these people were from Nebraska. It's possible they didn't know.
I live on the opposite corner of the continent in another country and even I know that Florida is dangerous
Yeah but that's because people eat bath salts. There is very general knowledge that I don't have in the IT field. You'd all expect me to know but I don't. You can't assume because you know there are alligators in Florida that everyone knows.
The bath salt eating meth heads are only about 30% of the danger in FL. I routinely saw large poisonous snakes everywhere, especially while golfing and fishing. Nature is what is dangerous about FL, kinda like Australia.
I think the whole state is made up of fire ants underneath the sand.
It is. And nematodes.
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@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
What is worse than losing your child?
Knowing you lost your child due to your own stupidity because you let a 2 year old run loose in central FL.
I guess man. I think these people paid their own price. It's not my place to judge them. I don't know the situation or who they are as parents/people. Innocent until proven guilty.
"The boy's family was at a movie night outdoors at the Grand Floridian resort when around 9 p.m. the boy waded into about a foot of water in a lagoon, authorities have said. Witnesses, including the boy's horrified parents, tried to save him. His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too."
The guy tried to pry the jaws of an alligator open to save him.
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@johnhooks said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
Yeah but these people were from Nebraska. It's possible they didn't know.
I live on the opposite corner of the continent in another country and even I know that Florida is dangerous
Yeah but that's because people eat bath salts. There is very general knowledge that I don't have in the IT field. You'd all expect me to know but I don't. You can't assume because you know there are alligators in Florida that everyone knows.
The bath salt eating meth heads are only about 30% of the danger in FL. I routinely saw large poisonous snakes everywhere, especially while golfing and fishing. Nature is what is dangerous about FL, kinda like Australia.
I think the whole state is made up of fire ants underneath the sand.
Well, that would explain the sandy red soil.... it's all ant poop.
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I'm actually on-board with you guys now. I looked up for articles about it and I found this picture.
They said these signs are all over the place. Again, innocent until proven guilty. I would say this qualifies as negligence.
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@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
What is worse than losing your child?
Knowing you lost your child due to your own stupidity because you let a 2 year old run loose in central FL.
I guess man. I think these people paid their own price. It's not my place to judge them. I don't know the situation or who they are as parents/people. Innocent until proven guilty.
"The boy's family was at a movie night outdoors at the Grand Floridian resort when around 9 p.m. the boy waded into about a foot of water in a lagoon, authorities have said. Witnesses, including the boy's horrified parents, tried to save him. His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too."
The guy tried to pry the jaws of an alligator open to save him.
That must have been a hell of a good movie to neglect a 2 year old long enough to lose him. Would you let a 2 year old wander off in Las Vegas? No, because bad shit can happen. In Florida, that bad shit includes gators.
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@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
What is worse than losing your child?
Knowing you lost your child due to your own stupidity because you let a 2 year old run loose in central FL.
And these were Americans. Knowing that Florida is dangerous is common knowledge and common sense. If they were from, you know, Laos and had no idea that Florida was dangerous I'd give them more of a pass. But we assume that they need to have been responsible for basic US knowledge AND how to read English being from Nebraska. Maybe they were recent immigrants or something and can't read English and have no idea as to the state of the natural predators in Florida, but it seems pretty far fetched.
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I've been warned by Disney about the alligators on the same body of water where this happened. Can't say what happened in this particular case, but having been there a lot, I never found there to be a shortage of warnings. Although where he was wading used to be a popular swimming spot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
What is worse than losing your child?
Knowing you lost your child due to your own stupidity because you let a 2 year old run loose in central FL.
And these were Americans. Knowing that Florida is dangerous is common knowledge and common sense.
So, you're saying they'll sue.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
I lived in Orlando for a few years in my 20s. Nobody ever went swimming in the many lakes and ponds around the city, because 'gators. It is why everybody has swimming pools.
What is worse than losing your child?
Knowing you lost your child due to your own stupidity because you let a 2 year old run loose in central FL.
And these were Americans. Knowing that Florida is dangerous is common knowledge and common sense.
So, you're saying they'll sue.
I think that was implied... they are Americans after all.
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Poor Sue. She seems to get blamed for everything over there.
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For those judging...
https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.venditti.18/posts/10154371872047147
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
For those judging...
It's a terrible tragedy, but hopefully the takeaway isn't that parents don't need to be responsible for common sense and just because other parents were also less than cautious does not make it completely okay. That this person uses "I did it too" as a defence is circular reasoning. It's like "if all your friends jump off of a bridge."
We can't know who is to blame. But this post sounds like someone trying to justify their own decision to allow a child into alligator risk water rather than any kind of justification for the other ones who also did. I've been near that water myself and don't go into it because of alligators. I've seen many a gator in that water and there are many signs about them (or were.)
Hard to say what the signage is there or what kinds of warnings are provided ... and it isn't like kids don't get taken by sharks in the ocean and we don't say "well parents shouldn't let their kids swim in the ocean."
The best outcome will be awareness and hopefully more parents will be conscious of allowing small children to go alone into alligator risk areas.
But if places like Africa are any example, it doesn't change parental behaviour even in places where losing children to crocs is common.
What worries me most about articles like this is that they risk downplaying everyone's responsibility in the hopes of "making people feel better." I understand that there is value in helping those hurt through a time of loss. But there is a value in making people realize that we can't just leave the safety of children to someone else, too.
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https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/506897629498005/
A mock video about the British EU Referendum that's being voted on tomorrow - in the style of the Monty Python "What have the Romans ever done for us" scene...also, Sir Patrick Stewart saying "Oh F*ck off".
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/506897629498005/
A mock video about the British EU Referendum that's being voted on tomorrow - in the style of the Monty Python "What have the Romans ever done for us" scene...also, Sir Patrick Stewart saying "Oh F*ck off".
I've seen that one, it is great.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
For those judging...
It's a terrible tragedy, but hopefully the takeaway isn't that parents don't need to be responsible for common sense and just because other parents were also less than cautious does not make it completely okay. That this person uses "I did it too" as a defence is circular reasoning. It's like "if all your friends jump off of a bridge."
We can't know who is to blame. But this post sounds like someone trying to justify their own decision to allow a child into alligator risk water rather than any kind of justification for the other ones who also did. I've been near that water myself and don't go into it because of alligators. I've seen many a gator in that water and there are many signs about them (or were.)
Hard to say what the signage is there or what kinds of warnings are provided ... and it isn't like kids don't get taken by sharks in the ocean and we don't say "well parents shouldn't let their kids swim in the ocean."
The best outcome will be awareness and hopefully more parents will be conscious of allowing small children to go alone into alligator risk areas.
But if places like Africa are any example, it doesn't change parental behaviour even in places where losing children to crocs is common.
What worries me most about articles like this is that they risk downplaying everyone's responsibility in the hopes of "making people feel better." I understand that there is value in helping those hurt through a time of loss. But there is a value in making people realize that we can't just leave the safety of children to someone else, too.
I'm glad a parent said this - I would have been filleted saying that as a non parent!
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
For those judging...
https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.venditti.18/posts/10154371872047147If she "can't conceive that an alligator would be in such a busy, small space", that shows her level of poor parenting and lack of knowledge of how nature works. If gators weren't on her mind while letting her kid swim in FL, she's a moron. #thinkmoreprayerwon'tkeepyourkidsafe
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I call bullshit arm chair quarterbacking on people saying things like @scottalanmiller and @RojoLoco
For anyone not raised around the danger, there is no sense of what is right or wrong or natural or not for alligators.
I would not even think about gators being active in a resort unless there were signs saying as much. In this instance, there were not.
If I was on an everglades tour or something, I would be aware of and thinking about them. I certainly never once thought about alligators in 2006 when I was with my sister's family at WDW. We were not at a resort with a beach lake like that, but there was a lake and we walked around it.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
I call bullshit arm chair quarterbacking on people saying things like @scottalanmiller and @RojoLoco
For anyone not raised around the danger, there is no sense of what is right or wrong or natural or not for alligators.
I was raised in the north, never in the south. Yet having been to Disney World, gators are very much warned about. I only know that they are such a risk there because Disney makes such a big deal about it.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
If I was on an everglades tour or something, I would be aware of and thinking about them. I certainly never once thought about alligators in 2006 when I was with my sister's family at WDW. We were not at a resort with a beach lake like that, but there was a lake and we walked around it.
Man made lakes are a bit different. Still a risk but a very low one. The Seven Seas Lagoon is a mostly natural "lake", it's a lagoon attached to the larger Bay Lake, that is full of gators. So many that they have special walkways in certain areas for safety because the gators are at the shore so often. That body of water is in a swamp area that is not that different from a developed part of the Everglades as far as habitat.
