Weight Loss Surgery?
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@Nic said:
We already have enough food to feed the planet, but humanity doesn't have the will to distribute it evenly:
It's not that simple. Tons and tons is shipped to places where people are starving. The very act of attempting to distribute food to those less fortunate often creates the problem of them not getting food because it turns into the financial tool of those in power. So it actually does the opposite of intent (the foundation of irony, in case AJ is reading, but it isn't irony as it lacks other factors like coincidence) - by distributing food to the poor, we keep them hungry and poor.
Similar to sending GMO seeds to the poorest people. It sounds good, until you see that it makes them lose the processes that have traditionally allowed them to farm (owning the supply of their own seeds.)
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@tonyshowoff said:
I agree with you, but it won't always be true, especially over the next century, and also without central planning (which people hate now) and with the rise of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps you starving African child" beliefs, there has to be a means to empower people to plant for their own communities, especially in places where crops cannot easily grow.
That's the opposite of what is being seen. Africa is losing farmland, not gaining it. Political, agricultural, social and other factors are causing Africa to lose ground - literally and figuratively. South of the Sahara, anyway.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@tonyshowoff said:
I agree with you, but it won't always be true, especially over the next century, and also without central planning (which people hate now) and with the rise of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps you starving African child" beliefs, there has to be a means to empower people to plant for their own communities, especially in places where crops cannot easily grow.
That's the opposite of what is being seen. Africa is losing farmland, not gaining it. Political, agricultural, social and other factors are causing Africa to lose ground - literally and figuratively. South of the Sahara, anyway.
Africa is the only place though, nor the only applicable place to grow food, it's a popular example, but I'm saying essentially anywhere. Africa has a ton of problems, well beyond food, hell even if they had all the food they needed, and crops that were indestructible, people would still starve there because so many of the governments are absolutely corrupt, as I'm sure you know. I used the starving African child as an example of the Randian sociopathy that's become really common here in the US especially, but there are starving people elsewhere obviously.
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@Minion-Queen said:
As someone who grew up off grid and we grew everything from heirloom seeds, as in we kept some of our seed back for the next planting, and had for YEARS, once we moved into the modern era (long long story). I We made our own cheese or traded with someone who did, ate meat that we processed our selves, eggs from chickens in our yard, chicken from our yard. Milk was still warm when I got it each morning, butter, buttermilk, ice cream was all made from that milk. Bacon and pork was done in our yard in the fall. I went from no food allergies to I can't eat hardly anything without getting sick.
Fast forward 20 year move to Africa for a year. When I got there I was allergic to tomatoes, wheat and various preservatives. Ate fresh (as in nothing that had been processed except ground down in a hand grinder or on a mortar with a pestle. No food allergies can eat anything I want.
Come home continued to eat what I want for a whole whopping 2 weeks. Then back to getting sick from everything. I can't have corn (or corn syrup or corn anything), tomatoes can't even touch them as I get acid burns, can't eat wheat, can't eat anything that has been bleached, no food coloring. Yeah that doesn't leave me much in today's food chain. I am lucky enough to live in a Mennonite community where they still do things by hand with heirloom seeds from OLD stock. Without that I would starve.
There is something in what we eat here in the states, Period end of story. Do I know for certain what it is, no but I have a pretty good idea.
That sounds a lot like me, I can't eat or drink barely anything because if I do I am in severe pain. When I was first diagnosed I still was in denial about the whole thing. I ate Mexican and paid for it for an entire week. I now live on plain everything, since I can't have anything with acid in it, MSG, preservatives or nitrates. I've got pages and pages of things I can't have.
It really is amazing how I'm staying alive, because I'm not getting anything good in my body. And not to mention all the weight I've lost. Some people would say I'm to thin.
I really miss food!
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@BMarie said:
@Minion-Queen said:
As someone who grew up off grid and we grew everything from heirloom seeds, as in we kept some of our seed back for the next planting, and had for YEARS, once we moved into the modern era (long long story). I We made our own cheese or traded with someone who did, ate meat that we processed our selves, eggs from chickens in our yard, chicken from our yard. Milk was still warm when I got it each morning, butter, buttermilk, ice cream was all made from that milk. Bacon and pork was done in our yard in the fall. I went from no food allergies to I can't eat hardly anything without getting sick.
Fast forward 20 year move to Africa for a year. When I got there I was allergic to tomatoes, wheat and various preservatives. Ate fresh (as in nothing that had been processed except ground down in a hand grinder or on a mortar with a pestle. No food allergies can eat anything I want.
Come home continued to eat what I want for a whole whopping 2 weeks. Then back to getting sick from everything. I can't have corn (or corn syrup or corn anything), tomatoes can't even touch them as I get acid burns, can't eat wheat, can't eat anything that has been bleached, no food coloring. Yeah that doesn't leave me much in today's food chain. I am lucky enough to live in a Mennonite community where they still do things by hand with heirloom seeds from OLD stock. Without that I would starve.
There is something in what we eat here in the states, Period end of story. Do I know for certain what it is, no but I have a pretty good idea.
That sounds a lot like me, I can't eat or drink barely anything because if I do I am in severe pain. When I was first diagnosed I still was in denial about the whole thing. I ate Mexican and paid for it for an entire week. I now live on plain everything, since I can't have anything with acid in it, MSG, preservatives or nitrates. I've got pages and pages of things I can't have.
It really is amazing how I'm staying alive, because I'm not getting anything good in my body. And not to mention all the weight I've lost. Some people would say I'm to thin.
I really miss food!
I do too. My problem is everything I can eat is not good for me (lots of fatty food). I am losing weight but not fast enough for me. I also do have a Thyroid issue so it has taken a year or so to get my meds balanced
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This topic is so far off topic...
With that being said, my insurance will not cover the operation, so I am going to do everything that my insurance will cover, meeting with a nutritionist, a sleep study, etc.
Going to try to lose the weight on my own, and get as much guidance as I can along the way.
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@Aaron-Studer said:
This topic is so far off topic...
With that being said, my insurance will not cover the operation, so I am going to do everything that my insurance will cover, meeting with a nutritionist, a sleep study, etc.
Going to try to lose the weight on my own, and get as much guidance as I can along the way.
Yes it has. Sorry.... But good to know. How can we as a community help? As you can see many of us have done things to lose weight.
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@Aaron-Studer said:
This topic is so far off topic...
With that being said, my insurance will not cover the operation, so I am going to do everything that my insurance will cover, meeting with a nutritionist, a sleep study, etc.
Going to try to lose the weight on my own, and get as much guidance as I can along the way.
Doing a sleep study and getting a CPAP was one of the best things that I ever did. Didn't really cause me to lose weight, but it was great for my healthy overall.
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@Aaron-Studer said:
This topic is so far off topic...
With that being said, my insurance will not cover the operation, so I am going to do everything that my insurance will cover, meeting with a nutritionist, a sleep study, etc.
Going to try to lose the weight on my own, and get as much guidance as I can along the way.
Sorry.
I didn't have surgery to lose weight but before all this I was just trying to eat better and doing a LOT of exercising, Almost like it was a drug I wanted to do it so much. -
@scottalanmiller there was a good This American Life episode on the effects of just giving poor people money, and how it is useful in spite of the traditional wisdom. I'm in favor of a basic income for all people now that we're in a post scarcity situation: www.reddit.com/r/basicincome
People will soon be 95% obsolete when it comes to work, so we have to make sure everyone has enough to live on. -
Sleep study is a great suggestion. Lack of sleep is proven to cause obesity. If you can get better sleep that is half the battle. Plus if you are sleep deprived then you have no energy or will power to make any other changes in your life.
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@Aaron-Studer said:
This topic is so far off topic...
To be fair I think you got basically the broadest of suggestions and opinions possible and I don't think anyone could offer a new one without repeating something already said by someone else. Therefore, off the rails we go!
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@Nic said:
Sleep study is a great suggestion. Lack of sleep is proven to cause obesity. If you can get better sleep that is half the battle. Plus if you are sleep deprived then you have no energy or will power to make any other changes in your life.
Stress too, I gained tons of weight sleeping 4 - 5 hours a night and trying to finish way too many projects. I think too it's because lack of sleep sort of also encourages one to eat more sugar or at least drink more sugary soda and stuff like that, at least that happened wit hme.
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Sleep also causes your body to burn more calories compared to being awake.
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We should write a best selling book... "Sleep Yourself Thin"
