Comparing Wireless Quality in Laptops
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@Dashrender said:
No fix? Even Lenovo is reporting you can 'restore your security' by uninstalling SuperFish... you're saying this is a lie?
We had the issue and nothing called Superfish was installed. It was a clean install and the network siphon was there the moment you installed the wireless driver. This is all the stuff I reported last year. Lenovo lied for months and months about having hacked peoples' data, why would we even think of listening to them now? We already know that they are evil and dishonest. There is no reason we should think that they would tell the truth once caught.
Remember we are talking about someone caught in a foreign hacking scam that only admitted to it months after being caught. They dragged it out and tried to use the "big vendors can do no wrong" mentality that IT in America tends to have in the hopes that they could make it go away. They even pay huge money to another online community to partner with them and be their PR to make it seem reasonable that they didn't mean to do anything wrong (I pointed out that as long as they were partnered the community had no integrity just this week directly to the PR person for Lenovo.) Lenovo is throwing big money at making IT professions feel warm and fuzzy that they are fixing what was a breach of ethics beyond imagination and can never, ever be forgiven without losing all sense of reality.
When using the Yoga 2 last year, it was incredibly obvious with use that there was a shim in the network driver. A little fiddling with it and you could see the driver enacted the shim and without the driver, there was no shim (or wireless.) Going to Windows 10 TP was the only way to get (that we found) a non-altered driver that didn't have the shim.
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I found this thread http://mangolassi.it/topic/2761/new-lenovo-laptop-won-t-allow-posting-to-mango-lassi/33 where you are talking about the problem.
@scottalanmiller said:
Complete OS reinstall and the system is exactly the same afterwards. Something about the Lenovo-modified Windows 8.1 image is flaky and is causing very noticeable issues with posting or just basic web usage.
Might be anything. There is a lot of bloatware on there. But this feels like a network shim is in place hijacking traffic. It's just a guess but that is how it appears from the behavior.I take this to mean that you installed reinstalled the OS from the system restore partition and continued having the problem, which frankly I would fully expect.
Then some chatter about how the drivers on Lenovo's website don't work, then you mention that you are downloading a new ISO from MS directly, but you never give a status (in that thread) on the outcome of the original ISO install, instead there's a link to a post about how Lenovo is installing Superfish and
And the original suspicions were right. Lenovo put in a shim that was breaking connections so their own nefarious purposes.
Where am I missing the discussion stating that Lenovo released a driver with a shim in it?
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@Dashrender said:
I take this to mean that you installed reinstalled the OS from the system restore partition and continued having the problem, which frankly I would fully expect.
Clean install, the moment you installed their driver the shim was there.
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@scottalanmiller these drivers are still available for download after they said they fixed it??!?!
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller these drivers are still available for download after they said they fixed it??!?!
That I don't know nor do I want to attempt to find out, especially when we have very little equipment here to fall back on. We are running Windows 10 on there, which I don't believe they even support, because we couldn't get Windows 8.1 to work.
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@Dashrender said:
Where am I missing the discussion stating that Lenovo released a driver with a shim in it?
Must be missing in that thread. Dominica did a lot of testing without a lot of posting. I'm pretty sure, if memory serves, that the "broken drivers" on their site was the shim issue causing them to be broken. It's possible I'm wrong on that point. We did a lot of testing over a few days on that unit. The shim was obvious when it was there. I thought that we did a vanilla install but tried the broken drivers at one point and the shim was there. Perhaps there just weren't any drivers and we were never able to get a driver that didn't come from the restore partition.
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I haven't seen anything about this anywhere else with lenovo having shims in drivers. I just googled for it now and didn't find anything. You could always download drivers vendor direct anyway.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I haven't seen anything about this anywhere else with lenovo having shims in drivers. I just googled for it now and didn't find anything.
No one was talking about the shim when we found it either. But it turned out to be there
Sometimes these things don't get talked about. Odd and rare, but it can happen.And Lenovo's PR machine to cover this up has done a great job. I can't believe how supportive of Lenovo so many people have been after the most evil vendor action I can remember happening.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I haven't seen anything about this anywhere else with lenovo having shims in drivers. I just googled for it now and didn't find anything.
No one was talking about the shim when we found it either. But it turned out to be there
Sometimes these things don't get talked about. Odd and rare, but it can happen.And Lenovo's PR machine to cover this up has done a great job. I can't believe how supportive of Lenovo so many people have been after the most evil vendor action I can remember happening.
To be fair Superfish was not made by Lenovo. They only thing they did was included it on their systems. It's not like Lenovo was trying to do anything malicious. They didn't do their due diligence to check software on their computers though.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
To be fair Superfish was not made by Lenovo. They only thing they did was included it on their systems. It's not like Lenovo was trying to do anything malicious. They didn't do their due diligence to check software on their computers though.
Lots of people do malicious stuff using software that they acquire from others. There is no way we can make the leap to suggesting that Lenovo didn't mean to do something malicious. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. They were willing to be risky with their customers to make a quick buck. They were willing to cripple the systems. They hid it for months. That they were being malicious I think goes without saying. If they were trying to be as malicious as this might suggest, maybe, maybe not. From what I've seen of Lenovo I have no reason to give them any benefit of the doubt. Every dealing I've had with Levono they have lacked integrity and operated without scruples. That doesn't mean that they were trying to hijack data here, but it suggests that they are the kind of company that might have.
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It's also important to remember that this is a Chinese vendor and their idea of ethics are fundamentally different than they are in the west. Even if Lenovo was acting acceptably by Chinese standards does not mean that we would see it the same way. This has been one of the things that people have been concerned about, with good reason, since IBM sold the division to them a decade and a half ago - that dealing with a Chinese vendor might mean problems with how the company behaves. Does that mean that their culture or their opinions of western customers were in play in this decision? No, but as it was already a concern and it was Lenovo, not HP or Dell, that had this happen is very suggestive. It supports the fears that many people have had for years about Lenovo's integrity.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I haven't seen anything about this anywhere else with lenovo having shims in drivers. I just googled for it now and didn't find anything.
No one was talking about the shim when we found it either. But it turned out to be there
Sometimes these things don't get talked about. Odd and rare, but it can happen.And Lenovo's PR machine to cover this up has done a great job. I can't believe how supportive of Lenovo so many people have been after the most evil vendor action I can remember happening.
This is because people simply don't understand what the problem is/was and more importantly they just don't care.
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Likewise, many American manufactures have shims and backdoors added (whether the manufacturers know or not) before products go to China. I don't want to blame China for this, the US is probably worse. Both countries are the bottom of the barrel of where you would want to go for getting gear you can trust.
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@Dashrender said:
This is because people simply don't understand what the problem is/was and more importantly they just don't care.
Blows my mind. How can so many IT people be so paranoid about unrealistic security problems and then not care when real ones happen!!
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Yeah after hearing that the NSA intercepts packages and installs their own firmware on the devices before repackaging them and sending them on.. man... just makes me think FIRE SALE!
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How do you change out the wireless card in a Lenovo anyway. I have a Lenovo T410 and when I try to put an Intel Wireless AC dual band card it in it boots up and says"unauthorized card" I can only uses the Intel B/G/N Card that came with it as they whitelist them. What kinda of business laptop locks down the wifi card.
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Yeah I did hear there was some lockdown issues with the Yoga Pros as well, luckily the card I purchased didn't have that problem.
Check if there is a BIOS update for your system, then install the card again and see if it works?
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@Dashrender said:
Yeah I did hear there was some lockdown issues with the Yoga Pros as well, luckily the card I purchased didn't have that problem.
Check if there is a BIOS update for your system, then install the card again and see if it works?
It is. I'll likely try a BIOS mod, as much as I don't like them I want my dual band gigabit wifi.
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Installed mod. Had to Disable the TPM (called security chip) or else it still works but beeps 12 times before booting. I think that must do a MD5 Check at everyboot. Not sure. But the AC card works now.
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I have a real issue with my HP Probook's wireless. My Elitepad and phone were getting full bars where in the same physical locations my laptop had minimum strength. It's really odd...
