How many software vs hardware people?
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Start talking to them now. Explain that you have the background to be the junior position of the two. They know you already - that's a bird in the hand. Tell them that you will work on being trained and mentored as time allows, starting immediately, so that you are ready to hit the ground running and minimize the loss of tribal knowledge making for the smoothest possible transition.
Make the case for yourself. Think about the ways that you have advantages that no one else has ..... like knowledge of how things used to work, time to be trained, training, history with the company, existing relationships with the business, etc. The time to train you is minimal compared to someone completely new and the amount of trust built up in you is large instead of needing to trust the keys to the kingdom with someone that they just met.
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And you will have access to the person leaving though ML!
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Ya'll are lighting a fire under my ass......THANK YOU!
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Start on your resume tonight. Get it polished as much as possible. But they've seen it before, might not even matter. Figure out anything that you are missing skills or experience in, this is your chance to read up on those things, ask questions, etc. so that when they ask you if you are prepared for those things you can honestly say that while you aren't completely skilled you have taken the initiative to start learning about them and have familiarity not only with them in general but with the specific details as they apply to where you work today.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Start talking to them now. Explain that you have the background to be the junior position of the two. They know you already - that's a bird in the hand.
Hopefully that works there if it's a good company. A lot of companies always think they are going to get more than they do from someone new. I'm not sure why they never learn from that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
But if you do nothing but install memory, build computers, screw things together, etc. that's called bench work or similar and I know of no one that considers that to be a part of IT.
You're kidding right? The guys at Geek Squad do little more than that and they think they are IT... Granted they probably are.. but we have other local computer shops.. and the guy who only assembles new machines definitely thinks he's in IT.
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Resume reconstruction in process now. Never good at putting myself on paper. Have to have someone look over it first before I turn it in. <fingers crossed>
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@Dashrender said:
You're kidding right? The guys at Geek Squad do little more than that and they think they are IT... Granted they probably are.. but we have other local computer shops.. and the guy who only assembles new machines definitely thinks he's in IT.
Not sure who would consider that IT. Information Technology is using/implementing computer and telecommunication to access and store data for the use case of a business. Those jobs are no more IT than a television repair shop is.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
You're kidding right? The guys at Geek Squad do little more than that and they think they are IT... Granted they probably are.. but we have other local computer shops.. and the guy who only assembles new machines definitely thinks he's in IT.
Not sure who would consider that IT. Information Technology is using/implementing computer and telecommunication to access and store data for the use case of a business. Those jobs are no more IT than a television repair shop is.
They do.. you or I might not.. but to the untrained masses if they say I work on computers all day, the masses will assume they are part of IT.
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My strength's are "Jack of All Trades" with System Administration (Network, Server, Disaster Recovery, Workstation, Tablets, Phones) but they've pushed me toward development for many years and they said this is the year...mind you, it is Excel/VBA but that's how we roll here...
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@Dashrender said:
You're kidding right? The guys at Geek Squad do little more than that and they think they are IT... Granted they probably are.. but we have other local computer shops.. and the guy who only assembles new machines definitely thinks he's in IT.
Lots of people who aren't IT like to think of themselves that way. But GS is exactly a textbook example of bench services. It's specifically because of them that the A+ is a bench, not an IT, cert and has no place in IT at all.
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@Dashrender said:
They do.. you or I might not.. but to the untrained masses if they say I work on computers all day, the masses will assume they are part of IT.
Just because they do doesn't mean it's right. Geeksquad doesn't even use the word IT/Information Technology anywhere publicly or on their job postings. They called them Computer Agents, Computer Techs, Computer Repair Agents etc.
The local shops that I know of don't consider themselves to be IT.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
The local shops that I know of don't consider themselves to be IT.
Mostly they think of themselves as "small shop owners" no different than the person who owns and runs a main street clothing shop or whatever.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Post like crazy and then get a job at NTG. That's what most people on here seem to do
Dang it,.. My secret is out...
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@g.jacobse said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Post like crazy and then get a job at NTG. That's what most people on here seem to do
Dang it,.. My secret is out...
Well I'm in good company then.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I broke the $200K barrier before getting a degree.
Just don't think most IT people make what S.A.M. Makes. Most of us are more around the $40k-$60k range rather than the salaries like scott.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Just don't think most IT people make what S.A.M. Makes. Most of us are more around the $40k-$60k range rather than the salaries like scott.
That might be true but I doubt it. Only the SMB market really has positions in those price ranges. And even there I know tons in low cost markets in non-senior positions above the $80K mark. I know literally thousands of people in the enterprise space in the six figure range. I tend to work with more expensive people, of course, not helpdesks which enterprises are full of too making quite a bit less. But I think that the SMB and government markets give a very skewed view of how low paying IT is.
I'm at the top of the market, that's true. My headhunters recently called me the highest paid IT person in global finance (non-management, of course) with offers well into the seven figure range. That is way above market. But making six figures is very common in IT. I know many job openings that are in the $250K - $750K range, and mostly not in high cost areas like NYC and SF (they have the most, I just don't now as many there.) Jobs in the millions are extremely rare, but in the hundreds of thousands are not.
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There are, no doubt. massive numbers of $60K and less IT jobs out there. But most are local government, non-profits and SMBs and only in very low cost markets and nearly all are entry level or junior positions. I think to get any hope of getting the main averages that low you have to include all of the bench jobs and other non-IT positions as IT.
And even then, often positions are flexible. I once accepted only $45K, long ago, with an SMB. They couldn't afford anything more. So I negotiated accordingly, they could not go up in money but I could go down in hours. So I negotiated the salary that they could do with fewer working days in the week. I could live as a single bachelour on $45K (this was long ago in 2000) and the tradeoff of getting a short work week was a good one. Both parties were happy. But it looked like I only made $45K on paper, because I did, but I only worked 80% of full time which nothing showed. So my real income, had I worked full time, was more like $56K or more. And that was $45K at 32 hours a week.
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Wow.. they must have just really wanted you to be willing to accept you for $45k at 4 days a week instead of another guy they could have hired at the same pay for 5.
