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@scottalanmiller So the next question is, aside from the SAM linu administration guide, what is the best education path? and you know what my personal goal is Scott
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How valuable is an exchange cert going to be generally with everyone moving to hosted solutions?
Not terribly imo. If you're interested in working for the military you might be able to find an Exchange job, but they're getting fewer and further between. I had a SysAdmin job up that was mostly Linux and macOS, and at least half of the applicants were Exchange admins.
That is my train of thought as well. I'm trying to determine an educational path currently
Education is always about preparing the future and avoiding the past. Exchange is a bit of history. Sure, a bit that will last for a decade or more, but so will the surplus of existing, trained, experienced Exchange admins desperate for work.
If that is the case I shouldn't study for the job I have but instead should be educating to make myself as marketable as possible. Do you agree that Linux would be the correct path?
Linux has two significant advantages for you...
- It's one of the most in demand skills today and is growing currently, not shrinking.
- ML has several high six and low seven figure Linux people in the community to learn from, most communities do not.
So your access to resources is better than a lot of places. That's a big factor.
But the biggest factor in anything is "what job do you want?" Only you can really answer this. Of course you can say things like "I really like standing my a user looking at their desktop and helping them work more efficiently" and we can say "oh, that would be deskside support", but it is you that have to define what your dream role looks like, even if you don't know the name of it.
Is Linux Administration something you are passionate about? Do you like Windows better? Trust me, a passionate Windows Admin earns more and has more spring to his step than an unhappy Linux Admin.
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Ugh! Made the mistake of putting an install directory in a place where regular users can get to it. What do they do? Yup...install it. Nice going, morons!
2nd rant over
If you stand too close to a shit flinging monkey, you get monkey shit on you. But do you blame the monkey for throwing poo? Or is it your fault for standing too close to the monkey?
You can just not feed the monkey so he won't throw poo at you anymore and still be close LOL
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How valuable is an exchange cert going to be generally with everyone moving to hosted solutions?
Not terribly imo. If you're interested in working for the military you might be able to find an Exchange job, but they're getting fewer and further between. I had a SysAdmin job up that was mostly Linux and macOS, and at least half of the applicants were Exchange admins.
That is my train of thought as well. I'm trying to determine an educational path currently
Education is always about preparing the future and avoiding the past. Exchange is a bit of history. Sure, a bit that will last for a decade or more, but so will the surplus of existing, trained, experienced Exchange admins desperate for work.
If that is the case I shouldn't study for the job I have but instead should be educating to make myself as marketable as possible. Do you agree that Linux would be the correct path?
Linux has two significant advantages for you...
- It's one of the most in demand skills today and is growing currently, not shrinking.
- ML has several high six and low seven figure Linux people in the community to learn from, most communities do not.
So your access to resources is better than a lot of places. That's a big factor.
But the biggest factor in anything is "what job do you want?" Only you can really answer this. Of course you can say things like "I really like standing my a user looking at their desktop and helping them work more efficiently" and we can say "oh, that would be deskside support", but it is you that have to define what your dream role looks like, even if you don't know the name of it.
Is Linux Administration something you are passionate about? Do you like Windows better? Trust me, a passionate Windows Admin earns more and has more spring to his step than an unhappy Linux Admin.
I enjoy learning Linux. I don't know if I can say I have ever been actually passionate about any job although I am passionate about learning in general. I don't rely on my jobs to make me happy--that's what my personal life is for. I think "job happiness" comes with a job that I am good at and feeds the critical thinking needs I have if that makes sense. If that were the criteria here I'd leave IT, which as you know I have seriously considered and still am actively debating/searching.
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Ugh! Made the mistake of putting an install directory in a place where regular users can get to it. What do they do? Yup...install it. Nice going, morons!
2nd rant over
If you stand too close to a shit flinging monkey, you get monkey shit on you. But do you blame the monkey for throwing poo? Or is it your fault for standing too close to the monkey?
You can just not feed the monkey so he won't throw poo at you anymore and still be close LOL
Thinking
Inside the Box: Stand farther from the monkey
Outside the Box: Starve the MonkeyREALLY outside the box: Entice the monkey to throw it at you.
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@scottalanmiller So the next question is, aside from the SAM linu administration guide, what is the best education path? and you know what my personal goal is Scott
Learning Linux..
- There are some books in addition to the one I am writing here.
- Start with CentOS
- If you are serious about making a huge transition, phase out Windows in your life (temporarily at least) and go to a full Linux desktop / laptop to force yourself to change your mindsets about everything (Linux on the desktop teaches you nothing about Linux, but it might teach you something about perspective.) Use Fedora because it is closer to CentOS 7 and will prepare you for CentOS 8 when it comes.
- Build a Linux testing environment (you have XenServer today, replace it with KVM so that you have exposure to both Linux-ecosystem hypervisors.)
- Replace every Windows system you have with Linux, one at a time.
- Make loads of new Linux systems you don't have with Windows...
- Home web server / intranet
- Home info portal, WordPress
- Home shared data site, MediaWiki
- Home ticketing system, osTicket
- Home NextCloud or similar storage
- Home NFS shares
- Home PBX
- Home media server
- Home chat server (OpenFire, Rocket.Chat, MatterMost)
- Home minecraft server
- Home Jump server
- Home Ansible or Salt (or both) server
- Home backup server
- Home monitoring server (zabbix, zenoss, nagios)
- Home logging server
- Home firewall
- Home repo for faster updates with less bandwidth
- Home web server / intranet
Things like that.
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I pretty much only use CentOS 7 minimal due to the fact that most enterprise level jobs would be using Redhat unless there were no other option.
Nextcloud done. Media Server done. I have set up mattermost but there is no use case for it at home so I just deleted it to free up resources. I've set up Zabbix. OSTicket has been done as well.
Pretty much anything that is a guide on ML I have done.
I go through what you are writing daily but in addition to that what books do you recommend? There are times where I am somewhere I could read but can't access the internet (personal life).
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
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is fairly reasonably priced.
I am essentially the closest thing we have to a linux admin here. I put into production two CentOS 7 servers so far but I'm running around 7 at home on XS. Technically "professional experience" but there is no one here to teach me exactly. I go off of what I read. I'll take a look at LinuxAcademy. Thanks.
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
New Jersery
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
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Thank you for your empathy sir
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
New Jersery
You think it's bad driving a car in that, I used to drive a semi in that nightmare. Jersey City is the absolute worst. 55mph road with a city sidewalk beside it, it's a wonder people weren't sucked under trailer tandems on that road, because you're a slow moving road hazard at 55. I've got even more about Jersey City, but I'd rather here about @MattSpeller's fishing.
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If you can't get professional experience with Linux, that is a good time to focus on getting a cert. LinuxAcademy is fairly reasonably priced.
Or volunteering. I got loads of awesome experience when I was younger in IT when I set up an entire private K12 school that had no computers (one ancient Mac with no networking, just a printer in the office.) Built their entire network, soup to nuts, on openSuse. Servers, storage, backup, desktops, PBX you name it. It was awesome experience.
When you're jobless, or super flexible part time worker, this type of thing might be possible, as a 30 something with a full time job, that's near impossible because the School is going to need this done quickly... plus followup support, granted you might not provide that.
Especially considering I have 3 hours of commuting every day minimum. I-195 E is a nightmare at 5:00 PM. It definitely would be a great learning experience though if it were possible.
Not the RI-MA 195, right?
New Jersery
You think it's bad driving a car in that, I used to drive a semi in that nightmare. Jersey City is the absolute worst. 55mph road with a city sidewalk beside it, it's a wonder people weren't sucked under trailer tandems on that road, because you're a slow moving road hazard at 55. I've got even more about Jersey City, but I'd rather here about @MattSpeller's fishing.
Yes. New Jersey is a post apocalyptic waste land akin to Mad Max. Confirmed.
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I was just at lunch and I caught this. It's a live feed of an African safari. This is pretty cool!!!
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