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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
(Hypothetical)
Let's say you are the sole bread winner, have a wife + children and get laid off. You learn of a job opportunity that you can take but in order to get said job you must lie somewhat about your qualifications. Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's 100% certain that you must lie in order to get the position. Essentially your options are lying to provide for your family or having character and being an honest person, but your family may go somewhat without.
I've been thinking about this stuff a lot lately. What is more right? My inclination would be honesty, but is it really right when I would be deciding on behalf of other people whom I am responsible for?
Honesty for sure. If you get into the job and can't do it, there's more of a potential you'll get fired anyway... Doesn't make sense to me.
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@wirestyle22 honesty, list what you are capable of, rather than lie about it and get caught. You're burning the bridge before you've even crossed it.
Much better to step up and say, I'm not certain I can do X, but I'm willing to try. I'm here to take care of my family I hope that you'll consider me.
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@dafyre said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
(Hypothetical)
Let's say you are the sole bread winner, have a wife + children and get laid off. You learn of a job opportunity that you can take but in order to get said job you must lie somewhat about your qualifications. Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's 100% certain that you must lie in order to get the position. Essentially your options are lying to provide for your family or having character and being an honest person, but your family may go somewhat without.
I've been thinking about this stuff a lot lately. What is more right? My inclination would be honesty, but is it really right when I would be deciding on behalf of other people whom I am responsible for?
Honesty for sure. If you get into the job and can't do it, there's more of a potential you'll get fired anyway... Doesn't make sense to me.
On the other hand, what about jobs with fake requirements?
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 honesty, list what you are capable of, rather than lie about it and get caught. You're burning the bridge before you've even crossed it.
Devil's Advocate: If you lie and get caught, the worse case scenario is still better than if you tell the truth. Jobs put themselves in a scenario of "lie, or else".
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@dafyre said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
(Hypothetical)
Let's say you are the sole bread winner, have a wife + children and get laid off. You learn of a job opportunity that you can take but in order to get said job you must lie somewhat about your qualifications. Let's say for the sake of the argument that it's 100% certain that you must lie in order to get the position. Essentially your options are lying to provide for your family or having character and being an honest person, but your family may go somewhat without.
I've been thinking about this stuff a lot lately. What is more right? My inclination would be honesty, but is it really right when I would be deciding on behalf of other people whom I am responsible for?
Honesty for sure. If you get into the job and can't do it, there's more of a potential you'll get fired anyway... Doesn't make sense to me.
Actually that logic is backwards. If you are looking at this 100% from a logical perspective... lying is a no lose scenario, honesty is no win. From a self preservation perspective, lying is the logical option. Ethics not considered, of course.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 honesty, list what you are capable of, rather than lie about it and get caught. You're burning the bridge before you've even crossed it.
Devil's Advocate: If you lie and get caught, the worse case scenario is still better than if you tell the truth. Jobs put themselves in a scenario of "lie, or else".
My stance was leaning towards the likely probability of the position having fake requirements.
Of course, worst case (usually) you might end up fired again. But you've still earned some money in the interim..
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 honesty, list what you are capable of, rather than lie about it and get caught. You're burning the bridge before you've even crossed it.
Devil's Advocate: If you lie and get caught, the worse case scenario is still better than if you tell the truth. Jobs put themselves in a scenario of "lie, or else".
My stance was leaning towards the likely probability of the position having fake requirements.
Of course, worst case (usually) you might end up fired again. But you've still earned some money in the interim..
Right, and if the requirements are fake, do we then have a grey area where we are kind of dealing with the company lying already?
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Is it okay to lie in response to a lie?
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Of course, worst case (usually) you might end up fired again. But you've still earned some money in the interim..
Exactly. And that's ONLY if they catch him AND only if they decide to fire him based on lying to get hired rather than on performance. Which would be a pretty foolish business decision to make.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Is it okay to lie in response to a lie?
A better question would be, is it okay to provide an answer you know someone is looking for if you know they are lying?
It's not lying to not say something but to infer it based on phrasing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Is it okay to lie in response to a lie?
Not in my opinion.
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@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Is it okay to lie in response to a lie?
Only if you are running for office apparently.
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For the record this is not a real situation either. It's just a thought I had. I would never knowingly lie like that but I think most of the people who know me here know that
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@nashbrydges better hope he nails that swing to impress her.
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