Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?

dafyre

I don't think you should care, really -- as long as your stuff is working how you want it to.

I prefer X11 still because of support for things like VNC and such. When Wayland gets that ironed out good, I may consider switching again.

CCWTech

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

I don't think you should care, really -- as long as your stuff is working how you want it to.

I prefer X11 still because of support for things like VNC and such. When Wayland gets that ironed out good, I may consider switching again.

Kinda what I was thinking but my OCD makes me think of it as 'broken'... LOL. Thanks!

dafyre

@CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

I don't think you should care, really -- as long as your stuff is working how you want it to.

I prefer X11 still because of support for things like VNC and such. When Wayland gets that ironed out good, I may consider switching again.

Kinda what I was thinking but my OCD makes me think of it as 'broken'... LOL. Thanks!

If I'm honest, that's the way I feel about Wayland. It's new, it's exciting, but one of the main things I've come to expect from any computing platform is remote control. AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

I think they're getting closer though. Gnome has a Remote Desktop thing you can activate under Sharing, and it actually works half decently -- and works with a regular RDP client. The problem is that you have to be logged in, and can't let the screen lock. It works more akin to VNC rather than along the lines of Terminal Services.

1337

The info below is from Debian but should be the same under Ubuntu.

GDM (GNOME Display Manager) will automatically use Wayland when supported, except when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver, in which case it will fall back to X11 due to instability.

To use the X11 backend by default, uncomment the WaylandEnable=false line in the /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf file.

CCWTech

@Pete-S said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

The info below is from Debian but should be the same under Ubuntu.

GDM (GNOME Display Manager) will automatically use Wayland when supported, except when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver, in which case it will fall back to X11 due to instability.

To use the X11 backend by default, uncomment the WaylandEnable=false line in the /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf file.

It is using NVIDIA Drivers so that must be why. Thanks!

scottalanmiller

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

travisdh1

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

travisdh1

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

scottalanmiller

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

travisdh1

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

scottalanmiller

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

travisdh1

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

dafyre

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

travisdh1

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

CCWTech

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.
No reason to guess:

$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
x11

dafyre

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

You can check with

loginctl

and

'''
loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

dafyre

@CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.
No reason to guess:

$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
x11

Well dang. That's a lot easier, lol.

travisdh1

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

You can check with
loginctl
and

'''
loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

loginctl show-session -p Type 2
Type=wayland

Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

CCWTech

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:
@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

You can check with
loginctl
and

'''
loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>
loginctl show-session -p Type 2
Type=wayland

Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

What do you have it set to use?

dafyre

@CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:
@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:
@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@travisdh1 said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@scottalanmiller said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

@dafyre said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

You can check with
loginctl
and

'''
loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>
loginctl show-session -p Type 2
Type=wayland

Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.
What do you have it set to use?

I was under the impression that if you install the NVidia drivers, that you would wind up with X11 and not Wayland.