DIY router build
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@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
As for your learning - physical hardware is really mainly good for learning hypervisors, beyond that you could do everything in a VPS provider like Vultr. No upfront fees, no power drain on you at all. I'm not sure what they offer on the networking side, i.e. you setting up your own private network playground where you setup a router on the edge, etc... but the other typical server stuff they can definitely provide like any other VM would.
While providers such as Vultr would be good for running production I don't think it's ideal for a homelab. You really want to be able to spin up many VMs without the cost immediately running away.
You could potentially sign up for a bare metal server but then it's from $120 per month from Vultr. I know Hetzner (Europe) has among the cheapest bare metal servers and you could probably find something for $50 per month.
Just checked and found something:
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@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
As for your learning - physical hardware is really mainly good for learning hypervisors, beyond that you could do everything in a VPS provider like Vultr
Well, why use Vultr with the monthly costs when you could learn it ON the hypervisor you are also learning on the bare metal?
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@scottalanmiller said in DIY router build:
@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
As for your learning - physical hardware is really mainly good for learning hypervisors, beyond that you could do everything in a VPS provider like Vultr
Well, why use Vultr with the monthly costs when you could learn it ON the hypervisor you are also learning on the bare metal?
Of course - if you have the hardware, then sure, if you don't...
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@Pete-S said in DIY router build:
No, you need a working internet connection first to build anything.
I have internet connectivity since I can always just connect directly via the modem.
Can you tell me more about the Intel NUC option, please? I'd just need a case, memory and SSD, yes? Any good sample builds that come to mind?
I'm still curious about the SBC option Sam mentioned and would like to fully look into that as well. I'm trying to read up on it now.
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@Johann said in DIY router build:
Can you tell me more about the Intel NUC option, please? I'd just need a case, memory and SSD, yes? Any good sample builds that come to mind?
There is nothing to build. It's often sold as a barebone, meaning you buy whatever memory you need and whatever SSD you want, plug it in and you're good to go. Youtube is your friend for stuff like that.
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I'd rather use a hardware router
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@StuartJordan said in DIY router build:
I'd rather use a hardware router
He's doing it for a lab, not for use.
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@scottalanmiller said in DIY router build:
@StuartJordan said in DIY router build:
I'd rather use a hardware router
He's doing it for a lab, not for use.
Ok fair enough, didn't read the ops post fully.
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@StuartJordan - You were correct as I will be using the router as my main router instead of a traditional COTS router:
https://mangolassi.it/post/549470My apologies that this wasn't clear in the OP.
I'm currently assembling a parts list for a build or two.
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@Johann said in DIY router build:
@StuartJordan - You were correct as I will be using the router as my main router instead of a traditional COTS router:
https://mangolassi.it/post/549470My apologies that this wasn't clear in the OP.
I'm currently assembling a parts list for a build or two.
Always fun building it yourself.
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I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say it's a complete waste of time to build a hardware lab. If you want to work SMB for 100 employee company, then fine whatever. They want to pay you to monkey around with hardware for a few servers instead of doing Colo or cloud.
Everyone on here giving the advice is passionate about their work and thorough, but unless you want to do IT service work or be one man IT shop, there isn't really any value in this stuff. Get an edge router and buy a cheap hardware device as @Pete-S recommended.
I actually had to check the date a few times on this thread and make sure it wasn't nearly a decade old. Because man this is dated way to learn. You'll find very little of what you want to learn, has to do with hardware or even a specific Colo or cloud. Notice how everyone talked about sever configuration or networking. Neither of those pertain to actual hardware. The implementation you'll be doing in the real world is both hardware and cloud agnostic.
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@IRJ I know what your saying, let the man play around though
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@IRJ said in DIY router build:
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say it's a complete waste of time to build a hardware lab. If you want to work SMB for 100 employee company, then fine whatever. They want to pay you to monkey around with hardware for a few servers instead of doing Colo or cloud.
Everyone on here giving the advice is passionate about their work and thorough, but unless you want to do IT service work or be one man IT shop, there isn't really any value in this stuff. Get an edge router and buy a cheap hardware device as @Pete-S recommended.
I actually had to check the date a few times on this thread and make sure it wasn't nearly a decade old. Because man this is dated way to learn. You'll find very little of what you want to learn, has to do with hardware or even a specific Colo or cloud. Notice how everyone talked about sever configuration or networking. Neither of those pertain to actual hardware. The implementation you'll be doing in the real world is both hardware and cloud agnostic.
This is why I mentioned going the Vultr route. While there could be some savings in setting up a dozen VMs on a local VM host at his house - it's not accessing like a business generally does anymore - as IRL is mentioning.
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@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
This is why I mentioned going the Vultr route. While there could be some savings in setting up a dozen VMs on a local VM host at his house - it's not accessing like a business generally does anymore - as IRL is mentioning.
It can be if you set it up that way. To a user, it's hard to tell the difference. Other than "putting in a credit card" most people using cloud experience nothing different than installing a VM on a hypervisor.
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@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
it's not accessing like a business generally does anymore
IT's still how 90% of business does it. Marketing aside, cloud isn't the majorit of workloads, and the majority of cloud is replicating legacy workloads.
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@scottalanmiller said in DIY router build:
@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
it's not accessing like a business generally does anymore
IT's still how 90% of business does it. Marketing aside, cloud isn't the majorit of workloads, and the majority of cloud is replicating legacy workloads.
That part definitely seems to be true
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@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
@scottalanmiller said in DIY router build:
@Dashrender said in DIY router build:
it's not accessing like a business generally does anymore
IT's still how 90% of business does it. Marketing aside, cloud isn't the majorit of workloads, and the majority of cloud is replicating legacy workloads.
That part definitely seems to be true
Yeah, there's actually very little work in "real" modern cloud app stuff. MOst development shops can't even do 1999 work well yet, the industry isn't ready to move past getting "web based" anytime soon.
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