Migrating to xxxxx

[scottalanmiller]

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

So I do agree with what you say about how an experienced IT person should be able to just sit down and figure it out, but it's hard to get that opportunity when applying for a new position, interview panels want immediate results most times.

Absolutely you are completely correct. But don't keep hopping back and forth here. Meaning... you are at one moment looking at how a business should behave based on how to get the right tech and skills for the business. Then hopping to how do I get hired as an IT person.

These are extremely different situations. In one case, we decide if we are a good or bad company. In the other we have to decide if we want to work at a good or bad company.

The company choosing the tech, the company choosing how they hire have zero concern over the "but no one will hire me" problem, since they get to hire all those highly skilled people that stupid shops are dismissing because they lack some specific skill or whatever.

What is risky for an IT professional (not having AD on your resume) is a boon for the hiring managers (the best people are still out there and available.) So the very concern you are picturing as the IT guy, is actually an artefact of why the company is protected by "doing the right thing"!

[siringo]

@Obsolesce said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

But how do you/we get around the problem of an interview panel asking " so how much experience do you have with Ansible, Salt, AD etc"

Either don't interview for those positions, or get experience doing the stuff you want to be doing.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

What I meant was, how de we, the interviewer, interviewee and industry, get around panels asking that style of question?

I believe it would be more useful to ask questions like 'how would you solve this?', or 'what's something you've done that you've taken great pride in completing?'

Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

[scottalanmiller]

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

What I meant was, how de we, the interviewer, interviewee and industry, get around panels asking that style of question?

If we are the interviewer, that means that we are the panel. So the point becomes moot.

The real question is, what CEO is letting people on hiring boards act so poorly? This isn't an IT thing, this is pretty basic "how to interview" skills.

[scottalanmiller]

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

I believe it would be more useful to ask questions like 'how would you solve this?', or 'what's something you've done that you've taken great pride in completing?'
Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

Exactly, and anyone with business or interview training would tell you that that's kinda day one training in that stuff. If you are getting deep into specific skills, it suggests that no one interviewed you on being an interviewer, LOL.

I find even better than questions is just discussion. It's hard, but just dive in and get people talking. If they are passionate and knowledgable they will be able to talk and it is really hard to bluff conversation of a technical nature of any large period of time.

[Obsolesce]

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

That's one thing to look for when you are the one being interviewed. I've interviewed for shitty companies that don't know how to interview and I basically let them know afterwards I'm no longer interested in the position.

[scottalanmiller]

@Obsolesce said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

That's one thing to look for when you are the one being interviewed. I've interviewed for shitty companies that don't know how to interview and I basically let them know afterwards I'm no longer interested in the position.

Exactly. The interview process is your best chance to see how well a company runs, what its priorities are and what they think of themselves. If they don't know the basics of business or IT, what kind of environment will it be and what will the other people that they have hired be like?

[siringo]

@scottalanmiller said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

I believe it would be more useful to ask questions like 'how would you solve this?', or 'what's something you've done that you've taken great pride in completing?'
Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

Exactly, and anyone with business or interview training would tell you that that's kinda day one training in that stuff. If you are getting deep into specific skills, it suggests that no one interviewed you on being an interviewer, LOL.

I find even better than questions is just discussion. It's hard, but just dive in and get people talking. If they are passionate and knowledgable they will be able to talk and it is really hard to bluff conversation of a technical nature of any large period of time.

Ah. So that may be why I've been interviewing shitterly for the past 12 months.

I've been in the game for a long time, i've aqcuired lots of knowledge about business, technology and life and when being interviewed I probably don't appear all that interested? When asked about something I may seem half hearted, the thing is though, I've been in front of so many 'how the crap am I going to do this' moments that not much worries me anymore. I've learnt that almost everything can be solved, fixed, upgraded or replaced, all you need is time.

Sorry, this is way off topic.

[scottalanmiller]

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@scottalanmiller said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

I believe it would be more useful to ask questions like 'how would you solve this?', or 'what's something you've done that you've taken great pride in completing?'
Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

Exactly, and anyone with business or interview training would tell you that that's kinda day one training in that stuff. If you are getting deep into specific skills, it suggests that no one interviewed you on being an interviewer, LOL.

I find even better than questions is just discussion. It's hard, but just dive in and get people talking. If they are passionate and knowledgable they will be able to talk and it is really hard to bluff conversation of a technical nature of any large period of time.

Ah. So that may be why I've been interviewing shitterly for the past 12 months.

I've been in the game for a long time, i've aqcuired lots of knowledge about business, technology and life and when being interviewed I probably don't appear all that interested? When asked about something I may seem half hearted, the thing is though, I've been in front of so many 'how the crap am I going to do this' moments that not much worries me anymore. I've learnt that almost everything can be solved, fixed, upgraded or replaced, all you need is time.

Sorry, this is way off topic.

I have a similar situation. There's no more panic. Just "let me do my job and get on with it." People sometimes see that as not taking it seriously when really, I'm just that much more on top of things.

[siringo]

@scottalanmiller said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@scottalanmiller said in Migrating to xxxxx:

@siringo said in Migrating to xxxxx:

I believe it would be more useful to ask questions like 'how would you solve this?', or 'what's something you've done that you've taken great pride in completing?'
Questions that dig into how a person thinks and solves, rather than past job history.

Exactly, and anyone with business or interview training would tell you that that's kinda day one training in that stuff. If you are getting deep into specific skills, it suggests that no one interviewed you on being an interviewer, LOL.

I find even better than questions is just discussion. It's hard, but just dive in and get people talking. If they are passionate and knowledgable they will be able to talk and it is really hard to bluff conversation of a technical nature of any large period of time.

Ah. So that may be why I've been interviewing shitterly for the past 12 months.

I've been in the game for a long time, i've aqcuired lots of knowledge about business, technology and life and when being interviewed I probably don't appear all that interested? When asked about something I may seem half hearted, the thing is though, I've been in front of so many 'how the crap am I going to do this' moments that not much worries me anymore. I've learnt that almost everything can be solved, fixed, upgraded or replaced, all you need is time.

Sorry, this is way off topic.

I have a similar situation. There's no more panic. Just "let me do my job and get on with it." People sometimes see that as not taking it seriously when really, I'm just that much more on top of things.

This ^^^ absolutely.

[Dashrender]

@scottalanmiller said in Migrating to xxxxx:

I have a similar situation. There's no more panic. Just "let me do my job and get on with it." People sometimes see that as not taking it seriously when really, I'm just that much more on top of things.

I've definitely walked into a few crisis that way with my old boss. Actually those were the best of work conditions - the confidence to just roll up the sleeves and get shit done. If only more of my life was like that.