OneDrive for Business Critical error!
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
So to use as a backup component you need to decouple the original file from the replicant location.
Does ODFB not store previous copies, so if you corrupt the source, you can just restore from an earlier version?
I've actually never tried. I don't believe that it stores versions like Sharepoint does but will need to look. Maybe it does.
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Yes it does offer that. You have to manually turn on versioning or else it only keeps the last edit. But the option is there.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Typically ODFB isn't primary storage so backups are done traditionally.
I may be missing something here. Surely it's intention *is *to be primary storage? Otherwise, what's the point of it exactly?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I may be missing something here. Surely it's intention *is *to be primary storage? Otherwise, what's the point of it exactly?
The primary storage is the local HDD. ODfB is secondary storage.
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Bad marketing I reckon, then. If it's not primary, they should call it TwoDrive or SecondDrive.
So instead of:
"OneDrive - One place for all your work files" its "TwoDrive - a secondary place for all your work files"I thought the local HDD was basically a local cache - used solely for performance and offline access, like an OST file is used for Exchange.
Also, regarding my original question: if ODFB isn't a backup, how do you backup your primary storage (the local HDD)? Backing up local hard drives isn't an option in a corporate environment. And if you're still running traditional file servers and syncing those to ODFB, my other question stands - what's the point of ODFB?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I thought the local HDD was basically a local cache - used solely for performance and offline access, like an OST file is used for Exchange.
I too was under this impression - are we both wrong?
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@Dashrender That is how I also read it for the personal side. They were comparing it to Dropbox.
Not trying to confuse ODfB with backups, however having the most used stuff on a PC automatically sync to cloud storage for an online copy (like a backup) and can be shared with others (like other cloud file sharing programs) is an awesome tool. You can attach ANY PC to your ODfB account and have the data synced to your PC.
I understand what @scottalanmiller is saying that it is NOT a true backup, but you have to admit its like a backup.
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@technobabble said:
@Dashrender That is how I also read it for the personal side. They were comparing it to Dropbox.
Not trying to confuse ODfB with backups, however having the most used stuff on a PC automatically sync to cloud storage for an online copy (like a backup) and can be shared with others (like other cloud file sharing programs) is an awesome tool. You can attach ANY PC to your ODfB account and have the data synced to your PC.
I understand what @scottalanmiller is saying that it is NOT a true backup, but you have to admit its like a backup.
No, I don't agree with you at all, I don't consider this a backup at all, in fact nothing like one. A backup as Scott says has always been disconnected from the source. I view OneDrive and ODfB as a replacement for your network shares. A place that whomever you allow can share files with one another. I've never considered my network shares to be backups.
I think the confusion comes in that people realize there's a local copy of the file, two copies of the same file, one local and one on ODfB. It's like how most companies treat their My Documents folders. They're redirected to a network location, but the PC makes local copies to work from more efficiently, but the network guys never consider it the backup for My Documents.
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@Dashrender I see what you are saying and I get it.
I have heard a lot about the network shares of the My Documents but in my travels, it hasn't been used. Using ODfB I now understand why it would be used. Funny how a new way of doing the old thing gets new adopters.
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@technobabble said:
@Dashrender I see what you are saying and I get it.
I have heard a lot about the network shares of the My Documents but in my travels, it hasn't been used.
If they aren't redirecting the My Documents, are they simply not using them? or how are they backing up that data stored there?
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@Dashrender Those PC's would be backed up also.
Most of the offices that have servers are ancient and the God who set them up told the followers that they can't change anything.
Smaller small businesses have at one time spent oodles of money and well don't you know that you don't need to upgrade to fancy new stuff...so say we all.
disclaimer: not exactly true, but maybe it is....
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Sounds like most of them need a Scott style sit down about their business and how to move forward.
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@Dashrender True. Mom & Pop type small businesses are hard to work with, but it's been what I have been doing for 11 years.
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Getting back to the OP, How are you going to solve this issue?
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@Dashrender So far I have zipped up all web directories or WordPress files and deleted the originals.
No more errors, and it seems to be syncing, but taking awhile.
I wish there was a way to allow files that are normally not allowed.
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If those types of files were sync'ed and changed through a cloud service, would they possibly destroy the system they are serving?
Easier way to ask this. If you were allowed to sync a PST file, the potential that the PST would get corrupt is very high. this would lead to problems with outlook, therefore PST files were not able to be sync'ed by default. I'm sure the same reasoning is why those files you want sync'ed are not allowed.
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That makes sense.
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Makes sense, although I wish there was an explanation of why these files are not allowed.
More information on why I use ODfB as I do:
I have always had a client's folder in my documents. When I got ODfB I just moved the folder to ODfB and it was a convenient way to keep data in sync so I could access it anywhere as well as the wife who does design work for the websites.To keep my plan working, I have to remember to zip the folders downloaded from the websites immediately so ODfB won't freak out. Small price to pay I guess.
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The issue is that it isn't a backup system - it is not designed to deal with alien files. The files you are having issues with are UNIX hidden files. Not something that you would expect it to handle on Windows. I don't know what it thinks that they are what they are, but it has to do with a Windows interpretation of a UNIX file.
A backup system is designed to backup anything and approaches files differently. But a sync system is not. So it tries to approach files pragmatically not from a "protect whatever is there" perspective.
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@Dashrender said:
@technobabble said:
@Dashrender That is how I also read it for the personal side. They were comparing it to Dropbox.
Not trying to confuse ODfB with backups, however having the most used stuff on a PC automatically sync to cloud storage for an online copy (like a backup) and can be shared with others (like other cloud file sharing programs) is an awesome tool. You can attach ANY PC to your ODfB account and have the data synced to your PC.
I understand what @scottalanmiller is saying that it is NOT a true backup, but you have to admit its like a backup.
No, I don't agree with you at all, I don't consider this a backup at all, in fact nothing like one. A backup as Scott says has always been disconnected from the source.
What you're forgetting is that ODFB is backed up by Microsoft. So it is disconnected from the source. The key questions are:
Can you recover a previous version of a file?
Can you recover a deleted file?
The answer to those questions are yes, therefore you can use it as a backup. Basically, if it looks like a backup and it smells like a backup then it probably is a backup.And on the plus side, backups managed by Microsoft should be more reliable than any backup managed by an SMB.
