SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS
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@Pete-S said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
And to think that there wouldn't be any changes long-term, as there has been in the past, and as there will be in the future, is naive as well.
Sure, but we were hoping that IBM would act in their own interest and grow, not shrink, their ecosystem. Don't get me wrong, I was at IBM long ago and shooting themselves in the foot and playing to internal departmental politics always took precedence over any concerns at profits, so that IBM acts irrationally and unpredictably isn't that surprising. But this is so visible, so obvious, it's hard to believe that even IBM would get it wrong to this level.
That said, anyone remember that insane IBM backlash on Spiceworks? They paid to put up some advertising that basically said that IBM had invented the perfect server and that all IT people should be fired and were obsolete. Then they left the community and forbid any of their staff to respond while the community had minute by minute more and more people talking about how IBM was clueless, how they hate IT, how they had no value and no ability to defend their insane claims, that no IT person in their right minds would ever do business with them again. This went on for WEEKS.
I managed to reach an executive with IBM PR who managed to get someone in IBM to escalate it, they flew me out to NY to explain what had gone wrong and talk to the management of the team that had made the post. It was a total disaster and what should have been just an overpriced ad that got little attention turned into a hugely expensive blunder and the product never even materialized, it was such an ill conceived idea with no value (basically claiming that an underpowered AS/400 would replace the IT industry and that no one would ever need modern servers, ever, or human guidance, or maintenance.)
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@Obsolesce that's a great visualization of it!
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@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
@Obsolesce that's a great visualization of it!
Except it could easily be Fedora there also.
And Fedora is not full of idiots thinking that they use Ubuntu because LTS and never upgrade shit.
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@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/almalinux-the-centos-linux-replacement-beta-is-out/
Is it a better option now?
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@openit said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/almalinux-the-centos-linux-replacement-beta-is-out/
Is it a better option now?
Is Alma a better option? It's only beta right now. It'll be a while before we know if Alma, Rocky or some other is better. If I had to deploy today, I'd go with Oracle as it is mature and stable. Down the road, Alma or Rocky might be best. But overall, I'd try to avoid anything in the RHEL sphere of influence going forward. Alma, Rocky, even Oracle are all based on the fundamental desire for RHEL without the problems of RHEL licensing.
So if I have to, I have options. If I don't have to, I'd choose Ubuntu or Suse.
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While I understand something is not okay with CentOS, or can't rely further as free/open source. But really not sure what is this CentOS Stream.
Further, how about every software built on the top of CentOS? for example Security Onion, it's big blow at wide range I feel.
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@openit said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
But really not sure what is this CentOS Stream.
It's a rather different product than CentOS. One that falls between old CentOS and Fedora. Kind of a halfway "worst of both worlds" product.
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@openit said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
Further, how about every software built on the top of CentOS? for example Security Onion, it's big blow at wide range I feel.
Well, they are really all built on RHEL and it highlights how bad these projects are at picking their primary targets. One owned by a big vendor, and one that is an LTS are both big issues. Something meant for security on an LTS release should have been a major red flag all along. LTS and security are enemies.
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In FB, I ran a poll about "to which linux you may switch to, due to CentOS changes" in Linux Fans Group, and top 5 choices are:
- Rocky Linux
- OpenSuse
- Debian
- Oracle Linux
- RHEL Free and Paid
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@openit said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
In FB, I ran a poll about "to which linux you may switch to, due to CentOS changes" in Linux Fans Group, and top 5 choices are:
- Rocky Linux
- OpenSuse
- Debian
- Oracle Linux
- RHEL Free and Paid
And the results are....
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@openit said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
In FB, I ran a poll about "to which linux you may switch to, due to CentOS changes" in Linux Fans Group, and top 5 choices are:
- Rocky Linux
- OpenSuse
- Debian
- Oracle Linux
- RHEL Free and Paid
Those are the choices, or the top five responses? I'd expect Oracle, Ubuntu, AlmaLinux to be the top choices. They are the only ones that exist (Rocky isn't out yet) that logically map to any similar logic that would have had someone using CentOS other than OpenSuse, but that's so unknown in the US.
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@scottalanmiller Yes. I know Rocky is not out yet, but people might have hope about a real free, enterprise and reliable one, from the same CentOS guy?
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From people I've spoken to, Ubuntu seems to be what people are considering most. Mostly because it is established and well known.
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@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
From people I've spoken to, Ubuntu seems to be what people are considering most. Mostly because it is established and well known.
If I move things from Fedora, I’ll use Debian
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@JaredBusch said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
From people I've spoken to, Ubuntu seems to be what people are considering most. Mostly because it is established and well known.
If I move things from Fedora, I’ll use Debian
From Fedora, yes, Debian would make sense. People who choose Fedora are okay without primary vendor support. But CentOS is specifically chosen because of the vendor relationship, which Debian lacks. Or, obviously, application compatibility, which Ubuntu leads at.
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@scottalanmiller Does Red Hat's announcement of Feb. 1/2021 change anybodies opinion ?
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@pattonb said in SAMIT: IBM Is Killing Off CentOS:
@scottalanmiller Does Red Hat's announcement of Feb. 1/2021 change anybodies opinion ?
Why would it? That they were going to be forced to make some pointless concession to keep from losing absolutely every SMB was assumed from the beginning. It was an announcement, but nothing we didn't already expect.
It remains that the CentOS gap and lack of investment, interest and faith in their own products should make any customer wary of using an IBM Linux product.
