Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection'
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@scottalanmiller said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@Dashrender said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
So, with that in mind - does a vaccine even matter? Does that mean needing a vaccine every 3-6 months to maintain any type of defense? Just imagine the cost of that thing!!
The point of a vacaine is to inform the body long term. A vaccine is not simply the natural antibody response.
Whether it is a yearly or a one time does not matter, yes a vaccine matters.
And any improvement is still improvement. Now if they fell to zero in an hour, that would suck. But falling by 90% over a year.... well it is still a big deal.
A common mistake is looking for perfection and giving up on anything less. Just because a solution isn't a perfect one, doesn't imply it's not the best one.
We want to do what's best, not what's perfect.
This is why I asked the question - The flu vaccine is anything but perfect.. but it's still likely a good idea.... so a yearly or even 6 month vaccine for Covid19 would likely be good for keeping more people alive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
Also, regardless of cases or testing, that hospitals are at record capacity is more important and is the real spike that matters and is completely unable to be explained away with fake news sound bites.
What I find interesting - hospitals are at record levels (i.e. higher than last march and april) yet no shutdowns...
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@Dashrender said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
Until the companies making vaccines have their indemnity removed there ain't no way we'll be anywhere near one of them.
Don't believe everything you read as far as "experts" go either.
"Cases" "Spiking" have nothing to do with virus movement through a population as is being inferred. That's a lie. It just means more testing with test results being positive.
Yeah - it's impossible to know what to trust anymore - there is so much information all from seeming experts...
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Give this guy a Kewpie Doll!
This is my biggest problem with the whole schmozzle we've been seeing since January.
A friend from church, a doctor, was telling us back in December/January that they were being told death rates of 30% or higher and that our healthcare system was going to be overwhelmed with folks.
A neighbour who is a doctor studies vaccines and was telling us all sorts of horror stories about how they are made and how the indemnification means very little testing.
I've lost all trust in "The System".
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Deaths will always lag, just the lag is getting longer because of testing. See https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1319892084250165254.html
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@jt1001001 said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
Deaths will always lag, just the lag is getting longer because of testing. See https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1319892084250165254.html
I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, interested?
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@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
Point: Flu status/deaths have done what since COVID?
Went down, because most who would have died from a Flu are also the ones are susceptible to COVID.
Funny how that works between two respiratory illnesses.
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@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US says, hold my beer.
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@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US says, hold my beer.
Being conditioned by the current messaging is one thing, knowing by experience is another.
Suffice it to say, despite the issues with the US medical system, it is nowhere near as bad as ours.
A simple solution to the US issue is to put the "price" of services in the consumer's hands. Publish the number insurance pays. Folks will start shopping around for a better price forcing competition. Those multi-million dollar admins hospitals need to run will be greatly reduced.
Up here, we have no choice. Public Unions and workers scream and Gov throws more money on it. Per capita here in Alberta we spend $10B more than any other province in the country.
Our system is so bloated and broken that it can take a year or more to get basic surgery services. People are dying up here man.
The grass is always greener.
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@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US says, hold my beer.
Being conditioned by the current messaging is one thing, knowing by experience is another.
Suffice it to say, despite the issues with the US medical system, it is nowhere near as bad as ours.
A simple solution to the US issue is to put the "price" of services in the consumer's hands. Publish the number insurance pays. Folks will start shopping around for a better price forcing competition. Those multi-million dollar admins hospitals need to run will be greatly reduced.
Up here, we have no choice. Public Unions and workers scream and Gov throws more money on it. Per capita here in Alberta we spend $10B more than any other province in the country.
Our system is so bloated and broken that it can take a year or more to get basic surgery services. People are dying up here man.
The grass is always greener.
Understood, it just seems that we are trying really REALLY hard to ruin it. I personally liked my plan, I wanted to keep my plan. Didn't seem to work out that way. Don't know enough to argue it either way, just know that somebody is making bank on my premiums that have gone through the roof.
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@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US says, hold my beer.
Being conditioned by the current messaging is one thing, knowing by experience is another.
Suffice it to say, despite the issues with the US medical system, it is nowhere near as bad as ours.
A simple solution to the US issue is to put the "price" of services in the consumer's hands. Publish the number insurance pays. Folks will start shopping around for a better price forcing competition. Those multi-million dollar admins hospitals need to run will be greatly reduced.
Up here, we have no choice. Public Unions and workers scream and Gov throws more money on it. Per capita here in Alberta we spend $10B more than any other province in the country.
Our system is so bloated and broken that it can take a year or more to get basic surgery services. People are dying up here man.
The grass is always greener.
Understood, it just seems that we are trying really REALLY hard to ruin it. I personally liked my plan, I wanted to keep my plan. Didn't seem to work out that way. Don't know enough to argue it either way, just know that somebody is making bank on my premiums that have gone through the roof.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Always, always, always beware The Man.
As soon as Gov gets involved, things get EFFED up. Period.
The corruption up here is insane as it is down there. There's absolutely no will in Gov to deal with it. No cohones to put Public Unions in their place when "bargaining".
Unions portray Gov as evil but it's really "We the People" that end up paying for their largesse.
Dismissal Ladder. Know what that is? I didn't. No accountability. Folks in Health Services can practically kill someone up here and NOT BE DISMISSED!
Work Rules: Know that they are? They are a way to force an employer to create more positions. Why? Because unions don't get more dues on better wages they get more dues with more positions. The Work Rules Bible is key to the bloat in public services.
We're being r*ped up here. It's horrible. No accountability at all.
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@PhlipElder Y'all see the "Great Reset" push that's coming down the pipe?
Do all y'all understand, and I mean understand, what it is implying and what it means for the regular Joes & Janes of this world?!?
My family has been through two Red Revolutions and one near miss with the Armenian Genocide. The whole thing is just too coincidental.
Sorry, not buying it. I'm not buying the virus push at all anymore.
I'm firmly in the Better Dead Than Red camp here.
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@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@popester said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@JaredBusch said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@PhlipElder said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
extremely costly and a lot less efficient than the US one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
US says, hold my beer.
Being conditioned by the current messaging is one thing, knowing by experience is another.
Suffice it to say, despite the issues with the US medical system, it is nowhere near as bad as ours.
A simple solution to the US issue is to put the "price" of services in the consumer's hands. Publish the number insurance pays. Folks will start shopping around for a better price forcing competition. Those multi-million dollar admins hospitals need to run will be greatly reduced.
Up here, we have no choice. Public Unions and workers scream and Gov throws more money on it. Per capita here in Alberta we spend $10B more than any other province in the country.
Our system is so bloated and broken that it can take a year or more to get basic surgery services. People are dying up here man.
The grass is always greener.
Understood, it just seems that we are trying really REALLY hard to ruin it. I personally liked my plan, I wanted to keep my plan. Didn't seem to work out that way. Don't know enough to argue it either way, just know that somebody is making bank on my premiums that have gone through the roof.
Ditto. I haven't been to even a Doctor's office in 5 years. But I had a 30k CI done, so I'm thinking I got a good deal.
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I have no idea what we are talking about anymore
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@Dashrender said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
I have no idea what we are talking about anymore
Kung Flu or Corona Virus or the astronomical costs of health related stuff... Or some combination there of.
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@dafyre said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
@Dashrender said in Covid: Antibodies 'fall rapidly after infection':
I have no idea what we are talking about anymore
Kung Flu or Corona Virus or the astronomical costs of health related stuff... Or some combination there of.
OH is that all? we're all fooked - that's all I know.
my own opinion that no one has asked for or cares about -
The pandemic will end (end-ish) when those with co-morbidities get it and die off. Those left behind will get Covid again and again just like people get a cold or flu again and again.I have zero expectation that a vaccine will wipe this thing out...
That said - I'll be happily wrong if we instead end up like measles and the vaccine does prevent the disease... but I certainly don't expect that to the be the case.
So with my opinion being what is it - how long do we keep things locked down, destroying the economy, etc?
