Which Nas OS?
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Not really adding anything constructive, but definitely echoing the sentiment of just building something from a minimal Linux install. I'm currently experiencing the issue of a commercial NAS making some simple things much harder than they should be. All I can put it down to is the tangle of customization and variance from general standards they do behind the scenes.
I wont be replacing them with newer versions - I'm nearly at the point of ripping their storage for dedication to a Linux VM setup to do the same duties.
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@jmoore i am totally in love with ZFS filesystem... has all the nice features , deduplication , dubblets(ditto bloks), unlimited snapshot, cloning, writable clones., raidz (many versions)
you can get it in most linux os today.. but i use eigther https://www.illumos.org/ or the free nexenta version with has a nice web interface... supports SMB V2 , NFS , ISCSI etc https://community.nexenta.com/s/
if you want to know abount ZFS here is 2 youtube videos from the creators of ZFS
part one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRoUC9P1PmA
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@jkaspersen Thanks for the info. Zfs is certainly a nice file system. I will look more into Nexenta, I have heard the name a long time but never checked out what they do.
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@jkaspersen Thanks for the info. Zfs is certainly a nice file system. I will look more into Nexenta, I have heard the name a long time but never checked out what they do.
Nexenta is a NasOS, just based on Solaris instead of FreeBSD or Linux. No reason to check them out, same problems as anyone else. Falls into the "never, ever use or consider or even look at" category, it makes no sense. Use the OS that they use under the hood, looking for "simple GUIs" slapped on top of simple functionality is a bad idea, especially with critical workloads like storage.
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
if you want to know abount ZFS here is 2 youtube videos from the creators of ZFS
I got to work with the ZFS team on the original SAM-SD. Back in 2007 when ZFS was still pretty new.
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Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@jkaspersen Thanks for the info. Zfs is certainly a nice file system. I will look more into Nexenta, I have heard the name a long time but never checked out what they do.
While installing Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, if you choose to use ZFS has your file system, you'll have the ability to Revert your system and/or user data at the GRUB menu screen.
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
that why i mentioned "https://www.illumos.org/ "...which today is more fully fledged than oracles version.. crossbow is also and extra(network stack) ... + the debugging too in illumos.... the debugging tool is though a steep learning curve...
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@black3dynamite yup already running it on my laptop... very nice... but i do like ditto blocks for meta data om my M2. SSD... so i have some kind of "resilience" on my laptop...
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
Yeah I have read a lot about Zfs, it has some nice features. Ok yeah I didn't even know what Nexenta was. I don't need a gui. Thanks!
that why i mentioned "https://www.illumos.org/ "...which today is more fully fledged than oracles version.. crossbow is also and extra(network stack) ... + the debugging too in illumos.... the debugging tool is though a steep learning curve...
Yeah, if you want the Solaris experience (which is quite good), this is the way I'd go.
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I wish someone did a really detailed performance breakdown of ZFS from Ubuntu, FreeBSD, and Illuminos. Would be super interesting.
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@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
and google Dtrace.... the most insane debugging tool ever...
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@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
Well not in general, Solaris is a dead animal. It was a great tool, and Illumos does a great job of keeping it available, but the Solaris path is a long dead one. You'll find no job opportunities because of it. There are way better places to spend your educational time today than researching "what once was."
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller I need to try Illumos then because I need to be more familiar with Solaris.
and google Dtrace.... the most insane debugging tool ever...
I come from the world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace before it released
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@jmoore I have used FreeNAS several times and have implemented it at work. It’s rock solid and simple to use plus it has a huge support network
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@scottalanmiller said in Which Nas OS?:
world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace
well luckey you then...
i dont know when i got knowledge of the old sun os... but i started with ZFS in 14. august 2009 16:25 to be exact. I only worked onece for a semi big company once (back in 1994) .. and that was Data General... ( the one with Aviion and Clariion storage).. but that is just "old tale and long gone company".. but i have been on them All DG/UX HP/UX, SUNos/ Solaris, EP/IX, AIX, SCO and even interactive... and SMOS Supermax operating system... they had hybrid system with both motorola and MIPS in same OS... only danish people can come up with stuff like that... ( i never understood why they did it , just making trouble for you self) -
@oliveryuan said in Which Nas OS?:
@jmoore I have used FreeNAS several times and have implemented it at work. It’s rock solid and simple to use plus it has a huge support network
We do support of it and see it lose data regularly. It's awesome only when everything works perfectly, the moment they release a bug or the hardware has an issue, it's flaky as can be. Rock solid and simple are exactly what it is not. It feels rock solid and feels simple during setup and until things fail... but everything is rock solid until it fails. The difference is, fixing Ubuntu or Fedora or Illumos or FreeBSD is easy and standard once something has failed. Experts abound to help you. When FreeNAS fails, it drops you into FreeBSD (but since you are using FreeNAS, the assumption is you aren't comfortable with BSD hence the purpose of FreeNAS on top of it since it adds no functionality) and leaves you on your own, but it's a more complicated FreeBSD system than standard because of the FreeNAS cruft layered on top.
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@jkaspersen said in Which Nas OS?:
@scottalanmiller said in Which Nas OS?:
world's largest Solaris shop, we had Dtrace
well luckey you then...
i dont know when i got knowledge of the old sun os... but i started with ZFS in 14. august 2009 16:25 to be exact. I only worked onece for a semi big company once (back in 1994) .. and that was Data General... ( the one with Aviion and Clariion storage).. but that is just "old tale and long gone company".. but i have been on them All DG/UX HP/UX, SUNos/ Solaris, EP/IX, AIX, SCO and even interactive... and SMOS Supermax operating system... they had hybrid system with both motorola and MIPS in same OS... only danish people can come up with stuff like that... ( i never understood why they did it , just making trouble for you self)I got started with ZFS during the pre-release of Thumper (the hardware it was originally designed for.) We were lucky, we were under NDA so got to use ZFS and Thumper before it was on the market. Very cool stuff. Thumper was the inspiration for both the SAM-Sd systems and things like BackBlaze pods - but obviously two very different directions from there.
