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@travisdh1 said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@IRJ said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Not to mention get them trained on it while still using zoom until they're comfortable.
that professors need training on how to use basic tools like this... it's unthinkable.
1/3 of the profs here are in their early 60's so technology isn't as easy for them. Making the changes in a zoom account to require a password, change settings, etc isn't as easy for them.
These are not the people we need teaching our children if they cannot figure out how to operate a zoom call. How can we expect them to teach our kids anything of value if they cannot do simple tech tasks? School is supposed to prepare kids for the real world (which last time I checked, has a ton of technology).
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching. I work at a graduate school where about 1/3 of the schooling isn't technology based.
You got something to say then say it. Don't give me some dumbass gif or meme to try and get your point across.
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@travisdh1 said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@IRJ said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Not to mention get them trained on it while still using zoom until they're comfortable.
that professors need training on how to use basic tools like this... it's unthinkable.
1/3 of the profs here are in their early 60's so technology isn't as easy for them. Making the changes in a zoom account to require a password, change settings, etc isn't as easy for them.
These are not the people we need teaching our children if they cannot figure out how to operate a zoom call. How can we expect them to teach our kids anything of value if they cannot do simple tech tasks? School is supposed to prepare kids for the real world (which last time I checked, has a ton of technology).
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching. I work at a graduate school where about 1/3 of the schooling isn't technology based.
You got something to say then say it. Don't give me some dumbass gif or meme to try and get your point across.
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@IRJ said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Not to mention get them trained on it while still using zoom until they're comfortable.
that professors need training on how to use basic tools like this... it's unthinkable.
1/3 of the profs here are in their early 60's so technology isn't as easy for them. Making the changes in a zoom account to require a password, change settings, etc isn't as easy for them.
These are not the people we need teaching our children if they cannot figure out how to operate a zoom call. How can we expect them to teach our kids anything of value if they cannot do simple tech tasks? School is supposed to prepare kids for the real world (which last time I checked, has a ton of technology).
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching. I work at a graduate school where about 1/3 of the schooling isn't technology based.
Then stop saying it's ok that teachers are so incompetent that they can't use basic tech.
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@travisdh1 said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@travisdh1 said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@IRJ said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Not to mention get them trained on it while still using zoom until they're comfortable.
that professors need training on how to use basic tools like this... it's unthinkable.
1/3 of the profs here are in their early 60's so technology isn't as easy for them. Making the changes in a zoom account to require a password, change settings, etc isn't as easy for them.
These are not the people we need teaching our children if they cannot figure out how to operate a zoom call. How can we expect them to teach our kids anything of value if they cannot do simple tech tasks? School is supposed to prepare kids for the real world (which last time I checked, has a ton of technology).
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching. I work at a graduate school where about 1/3 of the schooling isn't technology based.
You got something to say then say it. Don't give me some dumbass gif or meme to try and get your point across.
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@IRJ said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Not to mention get them trained on it while still using zoom until they're comfortable.
that professors need training on how to use basic tools like this... it's unthinkable.
1/3 of the profs here are in their early 60's so technology isn't as easy for them. Making the changes in a zoom account to require a password, change settings, etc isn't as easy for them.
These are not the people we need teaching our children if they cannot figure out how to operate a zoom call. How can we expect them to teach our kids anything of value if they cannot do simple tech tasks? School is supposed to prepare kids for the real world (which last time I checked, has a ton of technology).
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching. I work at a graduate school where about 1/3 of the schooling isn't technology based.
Then stop saying it's ok that teachers are so incompetent that they can't use basic tech.
OK. So let me clear it up. The ones that use lecture based teaching don't use tech other than email. They barely use PowerPoint. I have now spent about 4 days teaching those profs to use Zoom for which we have a EDU account. So from a global standpoint I can make all the changes that Zoom as recommended and made for the free versions.
What I would prefer not to do is confuse the shit out of them and find another product that isn't as simple as Zoom is to have them only have more issues with that, struggle to get things figured out, or get pissed off and just give up. That benefits no one.
We have Microsoft Teams and on previous conversations on here there have been plenty of Why the F is Teams such a pain in the ass for this or that. So I am not going to throw Zoom in the trash because 4 out of 18 professors have more difficulty with certain tech than others.
Is that a better response?
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
When profs are not technology inclined because they usually are lecture style teachers then you have a bit of a learning curve.
We are discussing basic literacy here, not "tech". Imagine when we were kids having your teachers struggle with how to use a pen or a calculator! This is the equivalent today.
Nothing to do with tech or their lecture styles, has to do with being functional adults in society. When is someone who is functionally borderline literate a good candidate to be teaching others? If all they are doing is teaching things that they've memorized, then they are the worst possible teachers, anti-teachers, really. If they are people who are teaching properly, teaching how to think, how can they do that while lacking basic literacy?
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
What I would prefer not to do is confuse the shit out of them and find another product that isn't as simple as Zoom is to have them only have more issues with that, struggle to get things figured out, or get pissed off and just give up. That benefits no one.
Jitsi is way easier.
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching.
No one is saying that. We are saying that basic literacy and common sense are absolutely necessary to being able to add value to the education of another person.
What possible mental processes could these people be teaching if we don't even need them to be functional adults able to interact as peers in society? What does this say about the value of the education to the students?
This is anything but tech today. Forty years ago we could argue that this is about a new technology that people don't know. But not today. Zoom isn't high tech or tech at all, it's super baseline tooling. Hammers and nails used to be tech, not they are not. Teleconferencing used to be tech, but now it is not.
That professors can't program, sure. That they aren't picking up new skills all the time, okay. But that they are missing decades of baseline expectations for anyone in elementary school? Not okay. It's a very different thing. Presenting it as "tech" makes it sounds very, very different than it is.
Using computers isn't a tech skill, in any way today. Watching Netflix isn't tech. In the 1950s, getting your TV hooked up was considered a tech skill. By the 1980s, it was not. Cement was "tech" in 500BC, today it's just a basic bit of information. Everything starts as tech and moves to common knowledge over time. This did so long ago.
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
I was just told to find an alternative to Zoom. I asked why and they named all the issues that were there.
Zoom is very easy, but any reason to use it over even easier things?
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
Sure if this were not a specialty school then I could see how technology is essential to the teaching.
No one is saying that. We are saying that basic literacy and common sense are absolutely necessary to being able to add value to the education of another person.
What possible mental processes could these people be teaching if we don't even need them to be functional adults able to interact as peers in society? What does this say about the value of the education to the students?
This is anything but tech today. Forty years ago we could argue that this is about a new technology that people don't know. But not today. Zoom isn't high tech or tech at all, it's super baseline tooling. Hammers and nails used to be tech, not they are not. Teleconferencing used to be tech, but now it is not.
That professors can't program, sure. That they aren't picking up new skills all the time, okay. But that they are missing decades of baseline expectations for anyone in elementary school? Not okay. It's a very different thing. Presenting it as "tech" makes it sounds very, very different than it is.
Using computers isn't a tech skill, in any way today. Watching Netflix isn't tech. In the 1950s, getting your TV hooked up was considered a tech skill. By the 1980s, it was not. Cement was "tech" in 500BC, today it's just a basic bit of information. Everything starts as tech and moves to common knowledge over time. This did so long ago.
See this is the failing of your argument - college isn't about teaching mental processes - and I say that because of what they do, not what they say (to steal a line from @scottalanmiller ).
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
I was just told to find an alternative to Zoom. I asked why and they named all the issues that were there.
Zoom is very easy, but any reason to use it over even easier things?
other than your own in house solution - what is easier?
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@Dashrender said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
I was just told to find an alternative to Zoom. I asked why and they named all the issues that were there.
Zoom is very easy, but any reason to use it over even easier things?
other than your own in house solution - what is easier?
Other than the one that I mentioned in the thread?
Just use Jitsi. If you don't want the Jitsi package, use Vitals! -
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@Dashrender said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
I was just told to find an alternative to Zoom. I asked why and they named all the issues that were there.
Zoom is very easy, but any reason to use it over even easier things?
other than your own in house solution - what is easier?
Other than the one that I mentioned in the thread?
Just use Jitsi. If you don't want the Jitsi package, use Vitals!missed that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@Dashrender said in Zoom meeting access::
@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
I was just told to find an alternative to Zoom. I asked why and they named all the issues that were there.
Zoom is very easy, but any reason to use it over even easier things?
other than your own in house solution - what is easier?
Other than the one that I mentioned in the thread?
Just use Jitsi. If you don't want the Jitsi package, use Vitals!Woah! That's insanely easy! More than anything I've seen. I literally clicked my mouse button once, and was going. Though I did have to click allow for my browser to access my mic and camera. But a moot point, even a mid-60's graduate college professor could do it!
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@WLS-ITGuy said in Zoom meeting access::
What I would prefer not to do is confuse the shit out of them and find another product that isn't as simple as Zoom is to have them only have more issues with that, struggle to get things figured out, or get pissed off and just give up. That benefits no one.
Jitsi is way easier.
Absolutely not. I use Jitsi all the time. Stop the new shiny toy waving that you always do.
Jitsi is a great tool.
It is not a Zoom/Teams/WebEx replacement by any stretch of the imagination.
For someone that wants a basic simply group meeting with almsot no features or controls? Sure.
Bu that is not what Zoom is typically used for.
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@JaredBusch said in Zoom meeting access::
Bu that is not what Zoom is typically used for.
Zoom is typically misused. It's complex and meant for situations that are what very few people are trying to do today. Jitsi is far closer to Zoom than you might think. And it's hardly new or shiny, at this point it's a stodgy old tool
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@JaredBusch said in Zoom meeting access::
It is not a Zoom/Teams/WebEx replacement by any stretch of the imagination.
Isn't that a good thing? Zoom is good, but really similar. Teams and WebEx are trainwrecks.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
@JaredBusch said in Zoom meeting access::
It is not a Zoom/Teams/WebEx replacement by any stretch of the imagination.
Isn't that a good thing? Zoom is good, but really similar. Teams and WebEx are trainwrecks.
Really similar to what? You are obviously not using any of the advanced features of any of those solutions if you think Jitsi is a competitor.
Just because you do not use the features does not mean that they are useless. They are heavily used by many people.
And yeah, Teams and WebEx are fucking train wrecks. But they still have all of the advanced features that Jitsi lacks.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zoom meeting access::
Zoom is typically misused.
Sure, all the home users and half the idiots that should not be employed are misusing it. For them Jitsi or FaceTime or Meet (Hangouts) would be a perfectly functional solution.
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@JaredBusch said in Zoom meeting access::
Just because you do not use the features does not mean that they are useless. They are heavily used by many people.
Many, but not many looking to use it now. The sudden rush to let people communicate is about basics, not features. And quite frankly, Jitsi handles quality and ease of use better. Those are pretty advanced features. So while you can say many people need the advanced features of Zoom (like PSTN gateways), the bigger majority likely need the even more advanced features of Jitsi's WebRTC implementation that is more efficient and easier to use.
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SANS Institute has presentation slides and a webcast how to best use zoom from a cybersecurity perspective.
You have to register to access the webcast though.
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We provide a good amount of Zoom training already. But if we were to move away from Zoom I would expect it be a toss up between Teams and WebEx.
