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      Mario Jakovina @WrCombs
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      @WrCombs Dell P2419H (or any other Dell P series)
      Adjustable height and left-right rotation.
      Very good stand.
      Affordable price
      You can even rotate it 90 degrees if you want "portrait" picture instead of "landscape"

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @pmoncho
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        @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

        @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

        Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
        only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
        My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

        If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

        If going new, I like 27" or larger.

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        • pmonchoP
          pmoncho @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

          @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

          @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

          Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
          only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
          My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

          If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

          If going new, I like 27" or larger.

          If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

            @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

            @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

            Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
            only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
            My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

            If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

            If going new, I like 27" or larger.

            I'm likely to be sent home to work soon - I'm probably going to order a pair 27" for my home setup.. my current 19" are so tiny!

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            • travisdh1T
              travisdh1 @pmoncho
              last edited by

              @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

              @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

              @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

              @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

              Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
              only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
              My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

              If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

              If going new, I like 27" or larger.

              If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

              I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

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              • GreyG
                Grey
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                I'd be hard pressed to not get https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Double-49-Inch-Monitor-LC49RG90SSNXZA/dp/B07L9HCJ2V if I were replacing my 2 Dell U2415 monitors, or something similar to the Samsung. My situation is a little different, too, since I could take my wife's pair of screens (also Dell U24s) and give her the ultrawide so I could have 4 monitors.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @Grey
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                  @Grey said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                  I'd be hard pressed to not get https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Double-49-Inch-Monitor-LC49RG90SSNXZA/dp/B07L9HCJ2V if I were replacing my 2 Dell U2415 monitors, or something similar to the Samsung. My situation is a little different, too, since I could take my wife's pair of screens (also Dell U24s) and give her the ultrawide so I could have 4 monitors.

                  Damn!
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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @travisdh1
                    last edited by

                    @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                    @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                    @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                    @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                    @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                    Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                    only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                    My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                    If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                    If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                    If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                    I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                    If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

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                    • travisdh1T
                      travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                      Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                      only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                      My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                      If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                      If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                      If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                      I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                      If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                      I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @travisdh1
                        last edited by

                        @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                        Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                        only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                        My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                        If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                        If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                        If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                        I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                        If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                        I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

                        damn, at 32, I don't think I could do less than 4K.

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                          1337 @travisdh1
                          last edited by 1337

                          @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                          Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                          only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                          My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                          If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                          If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                          If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                          I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                          If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                          I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

                          Philips has nice 40-43" 4K screens (16:9) for very reasonable money, not for gaming but for office work. We have a couple of them. Two different models, one curved and one flat. I think the curved one has been discontinued. They where like $600 or so.

                          A monitor that size has roughly the same screen estate as four 1080p HD monitors in the 22-23" range.

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                          • DanpD
                            Danp
                            last edited by

                            Anyone else using virtual monitors on your 4k setups? I've been using DisplayFusion's Monitor Splitting feature for this.

                            I only have a single monitor ATM, but this allows me to split it so that it behave like I have more than one. 🙂

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @1337
                              last edited by

                              @Pete-S said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                              Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                              only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                              My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                              If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                              If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                              If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                              I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                              If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                              I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

                              Philips has nice 40-43" 4K screens (16:9) for very reasonable money, not for gaming but for office work. We have a couple of them. Two different models, one curved and one flat. I think the curved one has been discontinued. They where like $600 or so.

                              A monitor that size has roughly the same screen estate as four 1080p HD monitors in the 22-23" range.

                              Get taht stuff and you start needing a bigger desk 🙂

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                                1337 @Danp
                                last edited by 1337

                                @Danp said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                Anyone else using virtual monitors on your 4k setups? I've been using DisplayFusion's Monitor Splitting feature for this.

                                I only have a single monitor ATM, but this allows me to split it so that it behave like I have more than one. 🙂

                                I used to do that with linux. I think it was called fake xinerama/xrandr. It's standard functionality in X windows.

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                                  1337 @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @Pete-S said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                  Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                                  only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                                  My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                                  If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                                  If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                                  If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                                  I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                                  If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                                  I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

                                  Philips has nice 40-43" 4K screens (16:9) for very reasonable money, not for gaming but for office work. We have a couple of them. Two different models, one curved and one flat. I think the curved one has been discontinued. They where like $600 or so.

                                  A monitor that size has roughly the same screen estate as four 1080p HD monitors in the 22-23" range.

                                  Get taht stuff and you start needing a bigger desk 🙂

                                  Nah, it's not that bad 😉

                                  Two 27" monitors side by side requires more space but have actually less screen estate.

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                                  • pmonchoP
                                    pmoncho @travisdh1
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                                    @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                    @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                    @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                    @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                    Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                                    only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                                    My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                                    If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                                    If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                                    If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                                    I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                                    Dang, 3 40's would take up a lot of desk real estate. Wish I had that much desk room for those.

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                                    • travisdh1T
                                      travisdh1 @pmoncho
                                      last edited by

                                      @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                      Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                                      only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                                      My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                                      If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                                      If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                                      If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                                      I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                                      Dang, 3 40's would take up a lot of desk real estate. Wish I had that much desk room for those.

                                      They would take up the entire desk, even mounting one on the VESA adjustable arm mount that I have.

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                                        Dashrender @1337
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                                        @Pete-S said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                        Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                                        only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                                        My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                                        If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                                        If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                                        If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                                        I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                                        If buying new for myself, I'd likely go up to 32".

                                        I paid ~$400 for the 32" HP 2560x1440 that I have. It's the sweet spot for my eyesight for size/resolution. I'd really like to pickup a couple of the 40" 4k screens MicroCenter has, but don't have the money to drop on a luxury like that.

                                        Philips has nice 40-43" 4K screens (16:9) for very reasonable money, not for gaming but for office work. We have a couple of them. Two different models, one curved and one flat. I think the curved one has been discontinued. They where like $600 or so.

                                        A monitor that size has roughly the same screen estate as four 1080p HD monitors in the 22-23" range.

                                        yeah, it's just not the same as actual separate monitors though. full screen on a specific monitor for example, or split screen.. just thinking out loud.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @Danp
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                                          @Danp said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                          Anyone else using virtual monitors on your 4k setups? I've been using DisplayFusion's Monitor Splitting feature for this.

                                          I only have a single monitor ATM, but this allows me to split it so that it behave like I have more than one. 🙂

                                          OK that's pretty cool!

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                                            1337 @pmoncho
                                            last edited by 1337

                                            @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            @travisdh1 said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            @pmoncho said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            @WrCombs said in HDMI Monitor suggestions:

                                            Just finished Moving from Windows 7 Desktop to Windows 10 Laptop as the daily driver at work.
                                            only thing i'm missing is my second screen and that's cause I'm missing the HDMI port on the Monitors we have here.
                                            My Boss is going to buy what ever screen I pick out, with that said, what are your suggestions for a new monitor that is compatible with HDMI? (Which should be any recently made monitor, right? )

                                            If going with a new monitor, I've always been partial to Dell 24" U2419H line. Nice color, crisp, clear.

                                            If going new, I like 27" or larger.

                                            If a single monitor, I agree 27 or larger would be the way to go. I have had 2 or more monitors for so long, it slips my brain that many will probably have one. I have found that 24" monitors hit a sweet spot with 2 or more.

                                            I'm working with a 32", 24" and 20" right now, and wish for 3 40" monitors with how much I tend to have going on.

                                            Dang, 3 40's would take up a lot of desk real estate. Wish I had that much desk room for those.

                                            Virtual desktops works good for that. I set up 12 virtual desktops on my 40" monitor and switch between them with alt-ctrl+F1 up to F12 or the mouse.

                                            The combination of large monitors and many virtual desktops causes you to work differently but more efficient. Basically you never maximize or minimize windows or use the taskbar to switch between application because there is no need to run anything in full screen. You just overlap the windows and use more virtual desktops when you need more space.

                                            To keep my sanity I label the desktops if possible and always put certain things on certain desktops. For instance calendar, email and communication I always keep open on desktop 1. Music streaming and non-work related stuff on desktop 2. Then I have a couple of desktops where I remote into customers systems and run ssh and what not. One or two desktops where I manage our internal systems. If I need to research something I take an empty desktop and open up a browser or two there. So the desktops are kind of task related, not application related.

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