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    • jmoore
      jmoore @black3dynamite last edited by

      @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

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      • black3dynamite
        black3dynamite @jmoore last edited by black3dynamite

        @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

        @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

        It's still KVM. They just using there own toolkit to manage KVM.
        https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve/features

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        • scottalanmiller
          scottalanmiller @jmoore last edited by

          @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @scottalanmiller So I can use it like kvm but it just has extra features?

          It IS KVM, it's just a management layer on top of KVM.

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          • scottalanmiller
            scottalanmiller @jmoore last edited by

            @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

            @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

            The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

            All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

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            • mroth911
              mroth911 last edited by

              I have been trying ovirt, proxmox and now I am onto xcp-ng.

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                JasGot @scottalanmiller last edited by

                @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V

                I've given up on Proxmox.

                What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

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                • scottalanmiller
                  scottalanmiller @JasGot last edited by

                  @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                  What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

                  We were using virt-manager. But Cockpit will do the trick now in the latest release.

                  What made you give up on Proxmox?

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                  • black3dynamite
                    black3dynamite @JasGot last edited by

                    @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                    The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V

                    I've given up on Proxmox.

                    What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

                    Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) and Cockpit. Using Fedora as your KVM host is the best choice if you want the latest version version of Cockpit. But Cockpit also doesn't provide a lot of configuration options like you can with virt-manager.

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                    • matteo nunziati
                      matteo nunziati last edited by

                      Any update on this?! Never been exposed to proxmox and I'm curious!

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                      • matteo nunziati
                        matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                        @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                        @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

                        The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

                        All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

                        Don't forget openbsd:
                        (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

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                        • black3dynamite
                          black3dynamite @VoIP_n00b last edited by

                          @VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @black3dynamite interesting. Have you used this?

                          The script works great.

                          And found a quick way to confirm if the hook script works after a Proxmox replaces proxmoxlib.js file.

                          apt --reinstall install proxmox-widget-toolkit
                          
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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati last edited by

                            @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                            Any update on this?! Never been exposed to proxmox and I'm curious!

                            So far, we are liking it. It's still early, but looking good.

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                            • scottalanmiller
                              scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati last edited by

                              @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

                              The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

                              All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

                              Don't forget openbsd:
                              (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                              I HAD forgotten about that. Anyone ever tried it?

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                              • Pete.S
                                Pete.S @matteo nunziati last edited by Pete.S

                                @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                Don't forget openbsd:
                                (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                                That is bhyve I believe. Vmm is the kernel module of bhyve.

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                                • scottalanmiller
                                  scottalanmiller @Pete.S last edited by

                                  @Pete-S said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                  @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                  Don't forget openbsd:
                                  (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                                  That is bhyve I believe. Vmm is the kernel module of bhyve.

                                  Ah, that would explain why I didn't know about it 🙂

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                                  • warren.stanley
                                    warren.stanley @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller - what storage options are you using with your testing?

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                                    • scottalanmiller
                                      scottalanmiller @warren.stanley last edited by

                                      @warren-stanley said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                      @scottalanmiller - what storage options are you using with your testing?

                                      Local. Nearly all of our systems are stand alone, local storage.

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                                      • warren.stanley
                                        warren.stanley @scottalanmiller last edited by

                                        Are you using hardware RAID or ZFS? I'm interested as the Proxmox wiki doesn't encourage mdraid.

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                                        • JaredBusch
                                          JaredBusch @warren.stanley last edited by

                                          @warren-stanley said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                          Are you using hardware RAID or ZFS? I'm interested as the Proxmox wiki doesn't encourage mdraid.

                                          Meh, I'm still not sure I would look at ProxMox because of all the shit like that over the years.

                                          But to answer your question, use hardware raid giving you blind swap to skip it mattering to the Hypervisor. That is the same decision no matter the hypervisor.

                                          Anyone that wants to manage the raid within the hypervisor is crazy. That never makes good business sense, IMO.

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                                          • warren.stanley
                                            warren.stanley @JaredBusch last edited by

                                            Yeah, Proxmox has been on the edge of my radar for years, occasionally I've run up a box to have a look at its progress - never keeping it for actual production use. I've hesitated revisiting recently, for concerns similar to what is echoed in this thread and other past experiences.

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