Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    Yeah I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. My previous job we had mix of HP z model workstations (440, 640, 840, 420, etc) with both NVIDIA and AMD cards in different systems and 10Gb NICs. We also deployed Dell 9020s with integrated graphics and Dell latitude laptops. Also some HP DL160 clusters. All running RHEL 7 desktops. Our engineers preferred that over windows.

    We had no driver issues like you're mentioning other than NVIDIA which is kind of a given.

    I could PXE boot a workstation and have it kickstart, then call Tower to have the hardening applied and joined to the domain in about 15 mins. That's faster than they could pump out Windows systems and all we had to do was reboot and hit F11 (or whatever the network boot key was) and walk away.

    I've had Linux on multiple laptops and desktops and 99% of the time I have no issues. There might have been one obscure driver in all of the systems I have had that didn't work.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/

    My smartphone has more resources than that crap...

    ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
    244.99 CAD

    AMD 2200G
    Was on sale got it for 100 CAD

    samsung 970 evo plus 250gb
    90 CAD

    total
    340.56 United States Dollar

    And RAM 8-16 GB, started with 8 then updated



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right? its okay i can correct you all day...



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    I hope your planning on using it for application development, testing or demoing, because MS gives out those licences like candy, and that's what people sell (illegitimately) for cheap



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right?

    Obv.



  • @Emad-R said in [Using GNU\Linux on your

    why the fuck should i go buy 1000$, go blow your money for bragging rights, if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Then do it and quit bitching. If you can't handle Linux that's fine. Most people can't.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..

    Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    and if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Why not SSH using the built in SSH and terminal that Windows comes with natively? No reason to add something.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.

    Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Windows updates are manageable by a simple script that can toggle the updates service on/off but the cost sucks,but if you find a good deal fuck linux/ fuck ubuntu / fuck fedora..

    Yeah... but now you are suggesting that you have to script and be an expert to get basic functionality working that Linux just handles.

    Sure, experts can get Windows to work, but you shouldn't need to be an expert to get desktop basics working.

    IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.

    As an MSP, customers going to Linux is scary, because our support needs get cut in half.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    And Windows can be safe if your smart user

    If you are a smart user. But Linux can be safe for everyday users.

    No one has argued that Windows is unusable by experts. But that's a ridiculous standard when Linux is safer and easier out of the box, and more capable for experts.

    You are arguing that Windows "isn't that bad". But it's more expensive, and not as good. That's all that matters.



  • @Emad-R you should experience Windows in the MSP space. The number of driver issues, patching issues, tools that don't work, tools that you have to pay for to get basic functionality, expert level experience needed to operate is absurd. It's our bread and butter. Windows issues make the IT world go round. The dirty secret of IT is that we mostly promote Windows because it makes us bank by creating issues and complexity.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.

    Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.

    He's using confirmation bias everywhere. One second it's one thing, the next it's about gaming, then again a $300 system, then Hyper-V, then Win10 Home. He's all over the place here and is obviously on a 48-hour THC binge.



  • He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..

    Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.

    Windows printing has always been fucking stupid. If you don't let it automatically use the WSD port and make sure it is a IP port, things never really fail.



  • @stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine

    Also myself. I've been running Fedora based OS since 2015.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.

    Before I go to bed, I always give thanks to Windows for providing me some job security.
    🙏🏿



  • I should’ve asked this first but what made you want to post this? With a post like that I would asked the same if it was reversed or about MacOS.



  • @stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    We had no driver issues like you're mentioning other than NVIDIA which is kind of a given.

    I have constant issues with Nvidia on both Linux and Windows. Both suck, Nvidia is just a common problem.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Once you are pirating, you might as well get it for free. $15 copies are fake and all you are doing is throwing $15 away. The base cost of Windows is just the base cost, there is no way around it. If Windows isn't worth paying for, then the point is made because I'd definitely pay for Linux if I had to.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
    with Samsung NVMe 970 SSD
    and 2200G
    Ubuntu LTS 18.04
    I cant use the never versions cause GPU driver is unavailable man on 19.04 or 19.10

    I don't understand.... That's basically the same desktop that we use. There is no GPU, that's something that you add on either with an extra graphics card or, more commonly, through an AMD APU. We go this route because it works so flawlessly with Linux. Ubuntu 19.10 here, on two of these. And we had Fedora on it before that, all worked great. Graphics card "just works". Zero configuration. Just install and done.

    But, you can't call it a video gaming machine, it's anything but. APUs are just enough power to render a desktop, not meant for gaming.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Windows 10 comes with a native SSH client and server. SSH client is enable by default.

    Can it deal with SSH keys also ? that is why i use CMDer

    Of course it can. It is OpenSSH and operates identically to SSH on Linux. We use keys with it every day. It uses the same commands, uses the same keys, stores them in the same way, etc. It's identical.

    This is a weird "having no faith in Windows and thinking it's crap" while in a thread where you are raving about how good it is. I am no Windows fan, but I seem to have more basic faith in it than you do, which is weird given the context. I think it's way better than you do, but not good enough to run. When I need it, I access it as a VM from Linux because that's way more stable and easy than using it as a daily driver.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Verify the hardware is supported by the software you want to run. You do this with everything, OSs included.

    Right, if you were to buy "Linux only" hardware and try to install Windows, it wouldn't work at all. The difference is, people install Linux on "Windows only" hardware every day and 99% of the time, it works anyway.

    But Windows is so limited that Windows users would never, ever try the opposite, even though it is right in front of their faces. Put Windows on a Raspberry Pi? Run Windows on a cell phone? Windows people will say this example is ridiculous... yet it's the same in reverse. Linux runs on those beautifully, we all do it every day. Windows won't even run, let alone handle all of the peripherals.

    Basically, in order to make Linux have anything to complain about, it has to be used in a way that no one would ever accept Windows to be used to make examples of where Linux isn't magically perfect. It actually highlights the insane degree to which Windows loses in a comparison like this, that such bizarrely contrived examples have to be made, while the obvious comparison disregarded as so impossible as to be implausible.

    The standard thing I've always seen is "Linux is seen as hard because it can be hard to make it do some things, but Windows is seen as easy because it is so hard that those same things are just dismissed as impossible."



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    You guys dont get it, we love Linux to much we are blind...

    Except we are all pointing out that you love Windows so much that nothing you are stating makes sense. You are blinded to how much you are missing the point.



  • @Pete-S said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    That's true. But it's because few hardware manufacturer gives a shit about a couple of nerds running linux desktops when the rest of the worlds desktops are windows, and a couple of macs.

    Tell that to the best selling computers in the world. Windows doesn't run on Raspberry Pi, phones, the majority of Chromebook hardware, etc. All of the top selling categories, and the top selling processor, all don't run Windows at all. Your definition of "a couple of nerds" involves the majority of the planet including most of the least nerdy people like senior citizens, casual users, etc.

    Just because nerds like something easy and way more broadly supported doesn't make it a niche, just unusual.



  • @Pete-S said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    The only reason linux survives on the desktop is because it's open source.

    Or maybe because it's so good. SO good. Like just try it and "holy crap, I didn't realize my desktop could improve so much."

    Seriously, just try it. It's not a small margin that it improves on the Windows experience.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    There is nothing Windows can do that Linux cant, however the opposite is not true.

    Exactly. Linux gives you everything Windows can do, and 100x more. Windows is so limited. It supports 1% of the hardware, requires so much more tweaking and "nerd attention." Windows is for IT people to operate, not for "normals" to just use. Linux gives you all the power, while still being tuned for every day users to not have to deal with drivers or knowing if their hardware will be supported.

    Linux doesn't make limits. It sets you free. Not just lower cost, not just way more hardware support, but so much more simple, so much more "just works". More intuitive. There is a reason we say it's for your grandparents now, finally a computer system that you don't have to be a power user to be able to get things done.



  • @flaxking said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    I haven't done much of it with Windows 10, but back with Windows 7, if the peripheral was not officially Windows 7 compatible it could be a real PITA to install.

    We are having TONS of this now after the Win7 > Win10 update. The number of common devices that "used to be supported but don't work anymore" is very high. He's clearly not been using Windows much if he's not seeing this regularly. HP printers are a big one, their older printers don't work on Windows 10. Thank goodness they "just work" on Linux, so we have simple fixes for people who upgraded to Windows 10 and got screwed by the limited hardware support.


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