Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish



  • @Emad-R

    The solution is to do your due diligence.

    Verify the hardware is supported by the software you want to run. You do this with everything, OSs included.

    If you want to run Linux, buy supported hardware. Verify from the hardware manufacturer they support the OS you want to run; verify they provide drivers for your preferred OS.

    My 7 year old could be taught to do this.

    But a System76 and tell me Linux doesn't run on it. Buy some peripherals that Ubuntu documents as supported and tell me it doesn't work.

    There's only one person to blame in all your troubles.



  • It's not the OS vendor's responsibility to provide drivers for all the hardware in the world. Microsoft doesn't. It's up to the hardware vendor to provide drivers for it's own hardware. If a hardware vendor doesn't provide drivers for your OS of choice, buy different hardware or choose an OS the hardware vendor supports.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    It's not the OS vendor's responsibility to provide drivers for all the hardware in the world. Microsoft doesn't. It's up to the hardware vendor to provide drivers for it's own hardware. If a hardware vendor doesn't provide drivers for your OS of choice, buy different hardware or choose an OS the hardware vendor supports.

    That's true. But it's because few hardware manufacturer gives a shit about a couple of nerds running linux desktops when the rest of the worlds desktops are windows, and a couple of macs.

    The only reason linux survives on the desktop is because it's open source. If it wasn't, it would have been as dead as Windows Mobile/Phone (...and a long list of other dead operating systems).



  • @Emad-R

    You guys dont get it, we love Linux to much we are blind...

    There is nothing Windows can do that Linux cant, however the opposite is not true.

    In workstation sense, why do everything in your workstation and have all the options



  • It sounds like you're missing some Windows drivers experiences. We need to collect and send you all of our 'favourite' peripherals to install.



  • I haven't done much of it with Windows 10, but back with Windows 7, if the peripheral was not officially Windows 7 compatible it could be a real PITA to install.



  • @flaxking said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    It sounds like you're missing some Windows drivers experiences. We need to collect and send you all of our 'favourite' peripherals to install.

    What about GPU performance? and drivers for that

    You get better performance in windows, will using OS we love that handicaps performance cause of strict licensing and blobs that as end user i dont really care as long as i get free download of the driver and it installs.

    Linux as worksation means you can do anything in browser, which is good if you reach that point, but thats what desktop linux is a browser OS + snap/electron which is basically a browser app, and if you need linux you can run it in VM in windows the way it is meant to be run just console session.

    Thats my point, you will get more in Windows ENV

    I love Linux It causes me to earn and work, I made my own Debian Distro back in the day, but we are being cult about it, and limiting ourselves cause we love it so much



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

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  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R

    The solution is to do your due diligence.

    Verify the hardware is supported by the software you want to run. You do this with everything, OSs included.

    If you want to run Linux, buy supported hardware. Verify from the hardware manufacturer they support the OS you want to run; verify they provide drivers for your preferred OS.

    My 7 year old could be taught to do this.

    But a System76 and tell me Linux doesn't run on it. Buy some peripherals that Ubuntu documents as supported and tell me it doesn't work.

    There's only one person to blame in all your troubles.

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    why the fuck should i go buy 1000$, go blow your money for bragging rights, if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research, and it will do more than your fancy 1000$ toy, and if i want to use linux i will rent one for 3$ per month, or make VM and keep the 700$ in my pocket... , i really hope you dont teach that 7yr old how to manage finances.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    Yeah I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. My previous job we had mix of HP z model workstations (440, 640, 840, 420, etc) with both NVIDIA and AMD cards in different systems and 10Gb NICs. We also deployed Dell 9020s with integrated graphics and Dell latitude laptops. Also some HP DL160 clusters. All running RHEL 7 desktops. Our engineers preferred that over windows.

    We had no driver issues like you're mentioning other than NVIDIA which is kind of a given.

    I could PXE boot a workstation and have it kickstart, then call Tower to have the hardening applied and joined to the domain in about 15 mins. That's faster than they could pump out Windows systems and all we had to do was reboot and hit F11 (or whatever the network boot key was) and walk away.

    I've had Linux on multiple laptops and desktops and 99% of the time I have no issues. There might have been one obscure driver in all of the systems I have had that didn't work.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/

    My smartphone has more resources than that crap...

    ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
    244.99 CAD

    AMD 2200G
    Was on sale got it for 100 CAD

    samsung 970 evo plus 250gb
    90 CAD

    total
    340.56 United States Dollar

    And RAM 8-16 GB, started with 8 then updated



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right? its okay i can correct you all day...



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    I hope your planning on using it for application development, testing or demoing, because MS gives out those licences like candy, and that's what people sell (illegitimately) for cheap



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right?

    Obv.



  • @Emad-R said in [Using GNU\Linux on your

    why the fuck should i go buy 1000$, go blow your money for bragging rights, if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Then do it and quit bitching. If you can't handle Linux that's fine. Most people can't.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..

    Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    and if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Why not SSH using the built in SSH and terminal that Windows comes with natively? No reason to add something.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.

    Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Windows updates are manageable by a simple script that can toggle the updates service on/off but the cost sucks,but if you find a good deal fuck linux/ fuck ubuntu / fuck fedora..

    Yeah... but now you are suggesting that you have to script and be an expert to get basic functionality working that Linux just handles.

    Sure, experts can get Windows to work, but you shouldn't need to be an expert to get desktop basics working.

    IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.

    As an MSP, customers going to Linux is scary, because our support needs get cut in half.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    And Windows can be safe if your smart user

    If you are a smart user. But Linux can be safe for everyday users.

    No one has argued that Windows is unusable by experts. But that's a ridiculous standard when Linux is safer and easier out of the box, and more capable for experts.

    You are arguing that Windows "isn't that bad". But it's more expensive, and not as good. That's all that matters.



  • @Emad-R you should experience Windows in the MSP space. The number of driver issues, patching issues, tools that don't work, tools that you have to pay for to get basic functionality, expert level experience needed to operate is absurd. It's our bread and butter. Windows issues make the IT world go round. The dirty secret of IT is that we mostly promote Windows because it makes us bank by creating issues and complexity.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    By that logic, Windows isn't meant for anything, haha.

    Linux makes a far smoother, faster, more reliable workstation experience than Windows in my experience. And every new user we introduce to it agrees. We never see someone say Windows works better, or is easier, or has better support. I have absolutely no idea how you are having Linux issues, but for most people, it's so incredibly smooth and well polished that it blows their minds that anyone is using Windows once they see how easy it is.

    He's using confirmation bias everywhere. One second it's one thing, the next it's about gaming, then again a $300 system, then Hyper-V, then Win10 Home. He's all over the place here and is obviously on a 48-hour THC binge.



  • He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..

    Actually I find the opposite. We have continuous issues with Windows (but less than in the past for sure) and essentially zero with Linux. In fact, when printing to our Brother printers here in the office, anyone with Windows has to get someone with Ubuntu to print for them! On Ubuntu it works with zero config, on Windows, it always breaks.

    Windows printing has always been fucking stupid. If you don't let it automatically use the WSD port and make sure it is a IP port, things never really fail.



  • @stacksofplates said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    He seems to conveniently ignore the posts that give real world examples like @scottalanmiller's and mine

    Also myself. I've been running Fedora based OS since 2015.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    IT people love Windows, because Windows screws end users and creates loads and loads of otherwise unnecessary IT jobs.

    Before I go to bed, I always give thanks to Windows for providing me some job security.
    🙏🏿



  • I should’ve asked this first but what made you want to post this? With a post like that I would asked the same if it was reversed or about MacOS.


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