Writing a Job Posting
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@WrCombs said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch Same job you were talking to me about?
Of all the job postings I've seen the place where they lose interest is preferred qualifications, and I'd suggest keeping the pay off the job posting.. You'll end up getting joe blow interested because of the money factor and not someone who is actually going to help you with what you're looking for, knowing you would never hire them, but they'd waste your time in an interview.
That's going to happen anyway. But rates make people understand expectation.
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@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.
You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.
Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.
Hey i think that makes a lot of sense and who doesn't love flexibility! If I loved anywhere close I would do it. Being remote and being able to choose vacation time when you need it mean a lot when your kid surprises you with an event they should have told you about.
Or just any amount of "life happens" stuff.
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And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.
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@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.
I did about 20 years without a vacation beyond a trip on an extended weekend. Did a lot for my career. But ultimately, you need vacations. From where you are, plan a week getaway to Mexico or Costa Rico or Panama. Take the fam, get out and do something exotic. The break is worth it from time to time.
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@scottalanmiller Your right I really should. I'm not a fitness fanatic or anything so don't get me wrong there lol. I just try to be a little balanced is all. I would really like to travel more too, I have done very little of it in my life, very little.
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@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller Your right I really should. I'm not a fitness fanatic or anything so don't get me wrong there lol. I just try to be a little balanced is all. I would really like to travel more too, I have done very little of it in my life, very little.
I did very little until 2007 then got a chance to work abroad and it was amazing. Did a big two week trip to Europe in 2009 and have been traveling continuously since.
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@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller Your right I really should. I'm not a fitness fanatic or anything so don't get me wrong there lol. I just try to be a little balanced is all. I would really like to travel more too, I have done very little of it in my life, very little.
I did very little until 2007 then got a chance to work abroad and it was amazing. Did a big two week trip to Europe in 2009 and have been traveling continuously since.
Yeah your right I would probably be spoiled if I ever landed a gig like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
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@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
What do you mean? We currently offer that.
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@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.
wow - so much weirdness in this post
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@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
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@jmoore said in Writing a Job Posting:
And for reference i have never taken a week vacation before. I can but never have. I think about it sometimes but then think about all the time I would spend at home playing video games drinking soda and beer that would ruin my weight lol. Plus, you don't learn anything if your not working. I really wish I lived closer because I would try it and I'm looking for a change anyway.
Thats usually a security issue
Some employers have regulations where they force emplyees to do a week at a time. Especially in finance so any foul play could be discovered and you make sure you can live without that person.
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@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Its not for everyone including myself, but I think @scottalanmiller and @JaredBusch handle it very well they way they do vacation.
If it's a pass for you, then it doesnt mean its bad for others who can really manage their time.
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@coliver said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
Sorry - I was mainly talking about Scott's offering - and the reality I don't know how many jobs are like Scott's offering. @JaredBusch I guess is - he gets to make his own hours - but he's also likely oncall all day long - so sure, not at his desk necessarily - but accessible. If he chooses to take in a movie in the middle of the afternoon - fine, just be aware that perhaps he'll be called during that movie with an expectation that he will answer and leave that movie if necessary... same I would guess applies to Scott's setup.
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@coliver said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
Sorry - I was mainly talking about Scott's offering - and the reality I don't know how many jobs are like Scott's offering. @JaredBusch I guess is - he gets to make his own hours - but he's also likely oncall all day long - so sure, not at his desk necessarily - but accessible. If he chooses to take in a movie in the middle of the afternoon - fine, just be aware that perhaps he'll be called during that movie with an expectation that he will answer and leave that movie if necessary... same I would guess applies to Scott's setup.
There is probably a SLA for each customer and it may differ.
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@IRJ said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@coliver said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
Sorry - I was mainly talking about Scott's offering - and the reality I don't know how many jobs are like Scott's offering. @JaredBusch I guess is - he gets to make his own hours - but he's also likely oncall all day long - so sure, not at his desk necessarily - but accessible. If he chooses to take in a movie in the middle of the afternoon - fine, just be aware that perhaps he'll be called during that movie with an expectation that he will answer and leave that movie if necessary... same I would guess applies to Scott's setup.
There is probably a SLA for each customer and it may differ.
Well - As Scott will tell you - SLAs are for suckers (at least those who are getting them).
Let's say JB has an SLA with a customer that's 2 hours before he has to start working on an issue - meh, you're down, but I'm in the middle of this movie - I'll see you in two hours (of course you don't say that)... the customer is pissed, but hey, you're covered by an SLA.
But if no SLA, JB is more likely to get to work on it ASAP to keep the customer happy and a client.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.
You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.
Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.
If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.
Financially, that onus is on me. When I was hired, I negotiated an hourly rate to account for ~80 hours of "vacation". If I don't have the financial ability to handle it, that is my own problem. I had the option to negotiate a typical "vacation" allotment and take a lower hourly rate. Math people. It is not that hard of a thing.
How frequently is your vacation interrupted by work? You're the highest level of support at your company so I have to imagine it's somewhat frequent. I'm curious if this is taken into account how much work/life balance you actually have
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@IRJ said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@coliver said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
Sorry - I was mainly talking about Scott's offering - and the reality I don't know how many jobs are like Scott's offering. @JaredBusch I guess is - he gets to make his own hours - but he's also likely oncall all day long - so sure, not at his desk necessarily - but accessible. If he chooses to take in a movie in the middle of the afternoon - fine, just be aware that perhaps he'll be called during that movie with an expectation that he will answer and leave that movie if necessary... same I would guess applies to Scott's setup.
There is probably a SLA for each customer and it may differ.
Well - As Scott will tell you - SLAs are for suckers (at least those who are getting them).
Let's say JB has an SLA with a customer that's 2 hours before he has to start working on an issue - meh, you're down, but I'm in the middle of this movie - I'll see you in two hours (of course you don't say that)... the customer is pissed, but hey, you're covered by an SLA.
But if no SLA, JB is more likely to get to work on it ASAP to keep the customer happy and a client.
otherwise they might walk.Stream from home, and use an apple watch
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@IRJ said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@IRJ said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@coliver said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
Are you prepared to test that by offering unlimited paid vacation?
If the job is 100% remote, you basically get that - this doesn't mean you won't have scheduled times to be on conference calls, etc..
Depends on the job... I was 100% remote but was expected to be at my desk, constantly, between 9am and 6pm.
Sorry - I was mainly talking about Scott's offering - and the reality I don't know how many jobs are like Scott's offering. @JaredBusch I guess is - he gets to make his own hours - but he's also likely oncall all day long - so sure, not at his desk necessarily - but accessible. If he chooses to take in a movie in the middle of the afternoon - fine, just be aware that perhaps he'll be called during that movie with an expectation that he will answer and leave that movie if necessary... same I would guess applies to Scott's setup.
There is probably a SLA for each customer and it may differ.
Well - As Scott will tell you - SLAs are for suckers (at least those who are getting them).
Let's say JB has an SLA with a customer that's 2 hours before he has to start working on an issue - meh, you're down, but I'm in the middle of this movie - I'll see you in two hours (of course you don't say that)... the customer is pissed, but hey, you're covered by an SLA.
But if no SLA, JB is more likely to get to work on it ASAP to keep the customer happy and a client.
otherwise they might walk.Stream from home, and use an apple watch
LOL
