Writing a Job Posting



  • We talk alot about bad job postings around here. I am certainly not going to disagree with most of the discussion as I feel it is true.

    I am contemplating hiring someone as some of you know. So what should a good job posting look like in order to attract the right people?

    Target Employee:

    Ideally, I'm looking for someone cheaper than myself for the short term, but that I expect to grow into a much larger skillset worth more money.
    I'm not looking for a Scott Alan Miller, or even a Dashrender

    Pay

    We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.
    There is a company matched Simple IRA plan.
    There is health insurance available, 50% paid for by the company. My family of 4 costs $1400/month of which the company pays $700.

    Hard Requirement:

    On site in St Louis bi-weekly for two days or weekly one day.

    Work Environment:

    Other than the above requirement, it is generally work form home on whatever schedule you want as long as customer needs are met.
    I will force you to run some Linux distro for a daily driver just because I'm an ass.

    General Workload:

    Will be primary point of contact for a small number of clients where @Bundy-Associates is the entirety of the IT department.
    As the entire IT staff, it is an IT Generalist position.
    Obviously this includes basic help desk as well as more advanced things such as server and network administration.

    General Technologies in Use:

    Microsoft AD environments (mostly down to file shares)
    Hyper-V Server
    KVM (on Fedora)
    Various Linux based application servers such as Nextcloud, FreePBX, Bookstack, and more.

    How do I take that and turn it into a job listing that you all would find acceptable?



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    So what should a good job posting look like in order to attract the right people?

    So I would simply expect a realistic title (knowing you) along with the realities of what is expected (which it seems you've outlined)

    What is the pay range you'd offer for this?



  • @JaredBusch

    IT Systems Generalist

    Bundy & Associates

    Location: St Louis

    Salary: Hourly, paid per client hours billed

    Job Description:

    You'll be the primary point of contact for a small number of clients where Bundy & Associates is their IT department (IT MSP). You will provide services from basic help desk, to more advanced tasks such as server and network administration. This is a heavy IT Generalist type of role.

    Requirements:

    • You must be available on-site in St Louis bi-weekly for two days, or on-site in St Louis for one day per week.

    Basic Qualifications:

    • Experience with Microsoft desktop and server operating systems (Windows 10, Windows Server 2012R2-2019, etc.)
    • Experience with Linux desktop and server operating systems (CentOS, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.)

    Preferred Qualifications:

    • Experience with Microsoft Active Directory, DNS, DHCP, File Services, etc.
    • Experience with Hyper-V Server
    • KVM (on Fedora)
    • Open Source Linux application solutions e.g., Nextcloud, FreePBX, Bookstack, etc.

    Why us:

    • Work from home per your own schedule so long as customer needs are met.
    • No vacation. You schedule your own, your hourly rate accounts for this.
    • Simple IRA plan, we pay half.
    • Forced to run Linux on daily driver because we're asses. (and it's good for you ;))

    Add to it, and you'll have a solid job posting IMHO.



  • I'd axe out the preferred qualifications and go back to it just being describing the technology stacks used. And make sure basic qualifications are really the basic ones.



  • I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    Target Employee:
    Ideally, I'm looking for someone cheaper than myself for the short term, but that I expect to grow into a much larger skillset worth more money.
    I'm not looking for a Scott Alan Miller, or even a Dashrender

    Well if they read this site, that's all the description that you need! 😉



  • @Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch

    IT Systems Generalist

    I like this as a title. But I think I'd do something like ...

    IT System Generalist (MSP Consulting Role)



  • @stacksofplates said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.

    Hard deal to beat. I'd go with this!



  • @flaxking said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'd axe out the preferred qualifications and go back to it just being describing the technology stacks used. And make sure basic qualifications are really the basic ones.

    I agree here. List what you'll general expect done, let them decide how to show that they can do that.



  • @stacksofplates said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.

    Did you miss the in St Louis requirement?



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @stacksofplates said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.

    Did you miss the in St Louis requirement?

    Pitt to St Louis, easy commute once every two weeks.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @stacksofplates said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.

    Did you miss the in St Louis requirement?

    Pitt to St Louis, easy commute once every two weeks.

    I might need to crunch numbers about Atlanta to St. Louis 😉



  • @EddieJennings said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @stacksofplates said in Writing a Job Posting:

    I'll do it along with my current job for $37 an hour. You don't need to pay health insurance then.

    Did you miss the in St Louis requirement?

    Pitt to St Louis, easy commute once every two weeks.

    I might need to crunch numbers about Atlanta to St. Louis 😉

    It'd be at least $3500 a month in travel expenses for me lol.



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.



  • @JaredBusch Same job you were talking to me about?

    Of all the job postings I've seen the place where they lose interest is preferred qualifications, and I'd suggest keeping the pay off the job posting.. You'll end up getting joe blow interested because of the money factor and not someone who is actually going to help you with what you're looking for, knowing you would never hire them, but they'd waste your time in an interview.



  • @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    Yeah this is pretty uncertain - is there any type of assured number of hours? I mean - i seriously doubt it, but one should ask.



  • @WrCombs said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch Same job you were talking to me about?

    Of all the job postings I've seen the place where they lose interest is preferred qualifications, and I'd suggest keeping the pay off the job posting.. You'll end up getting joe blow interested because of the money factor and not someone who is actually going to help you with what you're looking for, knowing you would never hire them, but they'd waste your time in an interview.

    Well - unless the resume is a total lie just to get the interview, it shouldn't be that bad.



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    Yeah this is pretty uncertain - is there any type of assured number of hours? I mean - i seriously doubt it, but one should ask.

    The work is there. I'm still working out that information, but that doesn't matter to build the rest of the job listing.

    Currently I'm 100% certain there is 30 hours/week.



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    Yeah this is pretty uncertain - is there any type of assured number of hours? I mean - i seriously doubt it, but one should ask.

    I was thinking about this also. Just figured it would be a question during the interview process vs being listed on the job posting.

    Didn't want to get a FFS or WTF! 🙂



  • Many jobs start offering more and more time off as an employee hangs around i.e. 5 yrs = extra year of vacation... would you expect someone who hung around this long to negotiate a salary raise commensurate with this? Not something for the posting, but a followup question.

    What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through their spouse?



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    Many jobs start offering more and more time off as an employee hangs around i.e. 5 yrs = extra year of vacation... would you expect someone who hung around this long to negotiate a salary raise commensurate with this? Not something for the posting, but a followup question.

    Anyone with seniority starts to negotiate raises of one sort or another. I think that that is baked into any thought process.



  • @pmoncho said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    Yeah this is pretty uncertain - is there any type of assured number of hours? I mean - i seriously doubt it, but one should ask.

    I was thinking about this also. Just figured it would be a question during the interview process vs being listed on the job posting.

    Didn't want to get a FFS or WTF! 🙂

    LOL you'll just get it in the interview instead 😛



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through the other spouse?

    Surprisingly few companies give any compensation for that. Should they? Likely. But very few do (partially because many actually make money on you having healthcare.)



  • @scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through the other spouse?

    Surprisingly few companies give any compensation for that. Should they? Likely. But very few do (partially because many actually make money on you having healthcare.)

    I know mine does - my boss gets her's through her husband's Firefighter for life insurance policy (don't get me started)... and she gets extra compensation because the company doesn't have to pay for her.. not sure it's 1:1, but hey, anything would be better than nothing.



  • @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

    You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
    I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

    In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

    Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

    You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
    I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

    In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

    Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

    If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?

    What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    *We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
    There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.

    Wow, seems like a tough gig.

    From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.

    You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
    I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.

    In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.

    Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.

    If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?

    What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.

    Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.

    Financially, that onus is on me. When I was hired, I negotiated an hourly rate to account for ~80 hours of "vacation". If I don't have the financial ability to handle it, that is my own problem. I had the option to negotiate a typical "vacation" allotment and take a lower hourly rate. Math people. It is not that hard of a thing.



  • The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

    That doesn't mean I can't get work done.



  • @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

    That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

    The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛



  • @Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:

    @JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:

    The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.

    That doesn't mean I can't get work done.

    The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem 😛

    Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.