Do you list your side business on your resume?
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@wrx7m said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@wrx7m said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
I would think that if you were planning on "moonlighting" or whatever, that could be an issue for a potential employer.
Planning on is different. Everyone has done it in the past. Employers assume that they are people who admit it, and people who hide it.
Right. However, putting your side gig (moonlighting) on your resume could tip them off that you would be doing it.
That's a discussion. No different than if you weren't planning on giving up your current day job.
A lot of people "moonlight" because they aren't salary.
I could use some equivalent or greater hourly wages, complete with OT and DT
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@wrx7m said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@wrx7m said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@wrx7m said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
I would think that if you were planning on "moonlighting" or whatever, that could be an issue for a potential employer.
Planning on is different. Everyone has done it in the past. Employers assume that they are people who admit it, and people who hide it.
Right. However, putting your side gig (moonlighting) on your resume could tip them off that you would be doing it.
That's a discussion. No different than if you weren't planning on giving up your current day job.
A lot of people "moonlight" because they aren't salary.
I could use some equivalent or greater hourly wages, complete with OT and DT
When I worked for Dell, it was part time but F100 work at $85/hr. It was some solid stuff with a lot of travel. Some moonlighting is really good
Volunteer work is a form of moonlighting, too. Just unpaid moonlighting.
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Interviewer: I noticed you listed some moonlighting jobs on the side. Would you care to elaborate?
Me: Sure! I am the terror (that bitch slaps in the night)! I am your worst nightmare! I am Black3Dynamite!Days later...
Company Rep: Mr. Johnson, I'm sorry to tell you that we've chosen another candidate for the position.
Me:
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@black3dynamite said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Interviewer: I noticed you listed some moonlighting jobs on the side. Would you care to elaborate?
Me: Sure! I am the terror (that bitch slaps in the night)! I am your worst nightmare! I am Black3Dynamite!Days later...
Company Rep: Mr. Johnson, I'm sorry to tell you that we've chosen another candidate for the position.
Me:
LMAO!
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Busy working my second job here....
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Nope. Side businesses could be so varied from what you do in your day to day.
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@DustinB3403 said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Nope. Side businesses could be so varied from what you do in your day to day.
That's part of the benefit. Show more experience, better rounding.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
I can only imagine that part of the issue is having side jobs that are like "helped with my buddies computer repair business" or "consult with local doctors to set up their networks" on the side.
My side jobs are things like "Ran the largest Windows migration even done for Dell with 65 sites across seven states. Worked as part of a joint Microsoft, Veritas, and Dell team working for all three companies. Ran the POC, the engineering setup, and then ran the project over the course of 15 months."
How in the world do you consider those side jobs?
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@Dashrender said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
I can only imagine that part of the issue is having side jobs that are like "helped with my buddies computer repair business" or "consult with local doctors to set up their networks" on the side.
My side jobs are things like "Ran the largest Windows migration even done for Dell with 65 sites across seven states. Worked as part of a joint Microsoft, Veritas, and Dell team working for all three companies. Ran the POC, the engineering setup, and then ran the project over the course of 15 months."
How in the world do you consider those side jobs?
Because it's not my main job. If I described my main job, you'd be like "oh clearly that's the main job." It was a job that I did on the side, a secondary job apart from my full time primary one.
There is a big difference between a "side job" and "doing something for someone one time". A side job is often a real, full job. Sometimes even a second full time job (although that's rare.) But I'm working two full time jobs right now, either one of which would sound like a pretty intensive full time job on its own.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
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@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
Sure are in my world, 100%.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
Sure are in my world, 100%.
and what was your main job?
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@black3dynamite said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
There has to be an exception like being a part time teacher.
For me, as the employer, I let the existing of a W2 separate side jobs from employment.
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@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@black3dynamite said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
There has to be an exception like being a part time teacher.
For me, as the employer, I let the existing of a W2 separate side jobs from employment.
uh - you can definitely be a w2 employee at more than one place.
What if you only employment is 1099 based?
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@Dashrender said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@black3dynamite said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
There has to be an exception like being a part time teacher.
For me, as the employer, I let the existing of a W2 separate side jobs from employment.
uh - you can definitely be a w2 employee at more than one place.
What if you only employment is 1099 based?
But that's not what I said at all.
I let the existence of a W2 separate "Side business" from employer.In other words, to address Scott's comment,
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Sure are in my world, 100%.
if you are applying for a job at my company, and you are currently employed and receive a W2, we do not see that as a "side business", even if it is IT work.
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@Dashrender said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
Sure are in my world, 100%.
and what was your main job?
Back then, I had three. IT Director and Coordinator for a K12 school, Head of IT for NTG, and Senior Engineer for Wegmans/Dell/Microsoft/Veritas
@Dashrender said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
Sure are in my world, 100%.
and what was your main job?
Main was head of IT for NTG. That was my 40 hour a week job. I also ran IT for a K12 school, which was also full time. I put in a LOT of hours back then.
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@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@black3dynamite said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
There has to be an exception like being a part time teacher.
For me, as the employer, I let the existing of a W2 separate side jobs from employment.
But that conflicts with what you said above. I've had multiple W2 jobs for decades. Even when I worked on Wall St I had two full time jobs. Even when I was at the sovereign trust.
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@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
if you are applying for a job at my company, and you are currently employed and receive a W2, we do not see that as a "side business", even if it is IT work.
So you just consider it double primary work? Most people assume that you have to have one as "more primary" than the other.
The way you are using the terms. you are just calling side jobs, not side jobs. But a side job is a standard term and is the correct one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
@JasGot said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Side businesses on your resume with a "period of time" date through "Current" is immediate disqualification in our company as a conflict of interest.
By that logic, ANY current job would eliminate you as a conflict of interest. That just doesn't make sense as a disqualification.
"Side Businesses" are not current employers by any stretch.
Sure are in my world, 100%.
You are are either allowed to have your own side business, or you are blurring the lines between who your employer is and how you describe our clients/customers.
I know where you are coming from, because I tell people all the time, "I have more than 400 bosses".
You see you customers/clients as your employers, but from what we have talked about, NTG is your employer.
All you have to do is apply the Federal Labor Laws to the relationship between you and any of these companies you are calling your employers, and you'll quickly see which is actually an employer and which is actually a client/contractor relationship.
If they are not paying the corporate side payroll taxes of your wages, they are not your "employer". This is how we determine if your current job is "employment" or "side business".
EDIT: This comment was in process before I saw your three W2 post.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do you list your side business on your resume?:
Back then, I had three. IT Director and Coordinator for a K12 school, Head of IT for NTG, and Senior Engineer for Wegmans/Dell/Microsoft/Veritas
This is really an exception to the policy. You are now, the only person I can name in the 30 years I have been in the IT industry as an employer, with literally hundreds of employees, that has had more than one full time W2 job at a time.
